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VOTE COUNT 1.9

Bingle [5]

: Menalque [120], PenguinPower [123], gobbledygook [124], MariaR [159], Firebringer [369]

[L-2]

Menalque [3]:

skitter30 [10], Datisi [18], Bingle [183]

PenguinPower [2]

: Blake Belladonna [69], lilith2013 [103]

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart, Pink Ball, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

[lilith2013]

isn't it a lolwagon though...? who else on mena is/was a non-rvs vote?

Are you saying Dats' vote on Mena is still RVS?
Skitts' probably is, tbf, but the presence or absence of one RVS vote does not a lolwagon make.

Compared to my wagon, where PP would be voting me if the mod had outed me as town in the OP and the rest of the players are at least partially voting me for the thing I am literally known for doing in all of my games regardless of alignment...

Yeah, the Mena wagon is in no way a lolwagon.

There was an RVS wagon on mena which is mainly what i’m referring to, which consisted of gobbles, skitter, datisi, penguin, and mena. As far as i can tell none of those were serious votes at the time of the wagon - so this definitely was a lolwagon

Gobbles and penguin left the wagon to join mena’s wagoning of you. skitter is vla. I don’t wanna put words in datisi’s mouth but afaik he hasn’t actually indicated that he’s scumreading mena or that the vote is serious, so I’m assuming that his vote is still from rvs, yes. You’re the only person who has stated that your mena vote is serious. i don’t think i’d even count skitter and datisi as being part of the mena wagon unless either of them say it’s now a serious vote.

[lilith2013]

I don’t really think we have the same definition of “lolwagon”

[lilith2013]

nvm i reread and i think maybe you think datisi is scumreading mena but i don’t think he is?

[Firebringer]

lol ok blake

I apologize for not being engaged into the game. I promise I will make it up to you by locktowning you.

ill take lockscum instead. Pls post more.

[lilith2013]

I’m not really sure where else the disconnect could be coming from

[Firebringer]

mena was suspicious of datisi earlier. Now doesn't seem mena is as suspicious or he might townread her. I don't know if at any point he scumread her.

Don't get how this is complicated.

[lilith2013]

No i’m talking about what datisi’s read is on mena

[lilith2013]

Bingle is saying mena’s wagon is a serious wagon but as far as i can tell, no one else’s vote on mena is backed by a serious reason - skitter’s was rvs and i can’t find anything in datisi’s iso indicating he’s scumreading mena

[Firebringer]

i was more referring to what bingle was talking about regarding mena progression or back and forth datisi, wasn't responding to u lilith.

[gobbledygook]

We could kill MariaR. I’m pretty sure she’s scum

[Firebringer]

what if i told u. I have a cop inno on maria

[Bingle]

(1) but like... that was all from before dats elaborated on her process for getting engaged?

Exactly my point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your assertion is that when dats is engaged and active you can read her. My issue is that when she was not engaged, instead of attempting to get her engaged you defaulted to scumreading her. If I knew I could lategame read a player as long as they got engaged at some point, my first desire is to get them engaged and ask them about other players, not call them a weak scumread.

If, as you argue, you have a good history of accurately locktowning datisi when/if she starts engaging thoroughly with the thread I would expect town you to try to get datisi to engage over other players, not dismiss her and call her scum while she's posting in a manner that you have not argued you can read well.

I'm not sure why you think I should townread you for backing down when there's pushback either.

[Firebringer]

bingle do u think mena backed down because he thought if he kept pushing it would look bad or u thinking he backed down because he couldn't find something to push or what exactly

[Bingle]

We could kill MariaR. I’m pretty sure she’s scum

I'd hear it out. I didn't like the post where she calls me scum for mechposting while demonstrating knowledge that I'm a mechposty player. Particularly in light of the fact that I've made 1 noninstigated mechpost.

[Bingle]

bingle do u think mena backed down because he thought if he kept pushing it would look bad or u thinking he backed down because he couldn't find something to push or what exactly

I think he backed down because he thought that Dats was about to be townread. Whether that's because he as scum realized dats was townposting or because he as town realized dats was townposting is less clear, but I don't think he would have kept pushing there when Dats started looking stronger.

[Bingle]

datisi’s iso indicating he’s scumreading mena

Contextually I think the continued vote after their interactions implies a scumread, but Dats can clear that up when she gets back.

[Pink Ball]

Maria is town, I can prove it

[Firebringer]

Maria is town, I can prove it

i already claimed a inno on her mr ball

[Bingle]

There was an RVS wagon on mena which is mainly what i’m referring to, which consisted of gobbles, skitter, datisi, penguin, and mena. As far as i can tell none of those were serious votes at the time of the wagon - so this definitely was a lolwagon

All of mena/gobbles/PP had already voted me by the time I voted mena. The time when gobbles said the Mena wagon was a lolwagon was here: 216. At that point there was an absentee vote from V/LA skitter, a serious vote from me, and an ambiguous vote from Datisi. Hence, my objection to dismissing it as a lolwagon.

[Bingle]

FB, what do you make of gobbles/blake defending you when I pointed out the similarity of your posting between here and Saw?

[Firebringer]

i think blake isn't really reading/or reading my posts. And I don't know where gobbles defended me.

[Bingle]

@Fire

Cause this is exactly the type of posting that cheeky scumfuck fire does. Contrast to Dats where I don't think blatant self meta and wifom is a strat she'd default to as scum in 90% of situations (particularly if she's nervous about playing in a stacked lobby, which rings true to me), being blatantly useless IS something fire does as scum to blend in and get ignored.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Proof.

That iso has a different tone than this game I think. Fire hasn’t fakeclaimed a scum role so he’s probably town

Interesting take. What do you make of the repeated stance that he won’t engage until he’s scumread?

He does this pretty consistently in the majority of his games. I've seen him do it within the past couple of months.

[Firebringer]

i think gobbles point in that post is pretty basic level not high level thinking. So i would want more than that if its a genuine townread. cause lol "fire hasn't claimed scum. Must be town" is pretty silly. And I have claimed scum here to with mena earlier so theres that.

blakes point was just pointing out something not really indicative of anything. Which is true. I am more engaged in games when people scumread me.

[MariaR]

Besides laughing for a good 2 minutes on how uselessness has turned into a tell I shall UNVOTE: for now.

Considering all the content around Fires slot and the people in this playerlist I think he's a fine lynch. He's sneaky if scum and I don't consider him a strong town power player.

VOTE: Firebringer

Besides, this should call some attention.