Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[AGar]

EBWOP:

Fucking. Lol.

[gobbledygook]

Una, you aren’t doing anything to get the person you’re voting lynched.

EBWOP:

Fucking. Lol.

What’s funny about my posts?

[Emperor flippyNips]

Hoopla 397 literally says "Focus on these people, a majority of the scum lies here" and has a big red ring around:

Flippy
Hiraki
Una
brass
Espe
Lickety
Prana

Now... I'm not saying scum won't be in there, scum love to lurk, and hey, I've posted the least... I also don't split my replies up into a response to every single thing I respond to, so focusing just on posts themselves... well that can fuck right off at the best of times. Number of posts isn't that important. Plus I am not great early game. Never have been. I do better after a re-read and a lynch of two, where I can do some analysis. If you expect me to be coming out of the gates day one as some amazing super posting person.... you'll be disappointed. My early reads are generally bad (I'm actually finding CooLDoG to be more town, the more I read).

Anyway... Hoopla advocates for the above to be where we should focus. I'll note that Flippy has 22 posts, renaissance has 24... is that 2 post difference such a huge thing? Why is renaissance somehow ignored there?

Then Hoopla votes for Flippy... the person who's posted the most of all those she ringed... fair enough she was on me, and that was going nowhere... but why stop voting me after you post about wanting to push lurkers? If "number of posts made" is your most important factor... you stay on me and push for more pressure on me, not less... especially when I hadn't posted for a while. So pushing lurkers... ignoring renaissance, voting flippy instead of staying on me, or something equally light on posting... none of it adds up.

and... Flippy just posted a SHIT TON of posts... like... 16 posts... based on Hoopla's table, that puts him at 38 posts, well out of "scum" range... and yet let's count the pointless posts shall we?

409 - "I got prodded"
410 - "Will read later"
412 - A one line question
421 - "here are three town reads"
422 - "I missed that post"
423 - "I was forgotten"
424 - Just copying 423 and adding more...

So... at the end of the page there, we have 7 posts that literally add nothing to the discussion, and are merely designed to push up post count.

425 - Just complaining Hoopla made a joke
426 - Just added "+1"
427 - Actually a good post... oh wait...
428 - No it wasn't.
429 - A pointless correction, everyone knew what was meant.
430 - Fuck me.
431 - Another nothing post
432 - Compaining at Gobbledy
433 - Finished posting, bye...

Like... NOT ONE OF THEM IS A GOOD POST!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

Prior to that flurry of absolute sludge to shove the post count into the roof, I was happy to dive on that Hoopla wagon... but holy jesus fucking christ Flippy just may as well have waved a big flag saying "scum here" with that garbage.

I will say, that doesn't prevent Hoopla being scum either, I feel that's a viable scum wagon, and her vote on Flippy is entirely likely to be s/s

you're barking up the wrong tree there bud. I'm not a early game player either tho,, this is my posting style and i've really just now started playing. my alinment will be obvious soon trust bruv.

also like what interaction between me & hoopla gives you s/s? and what are your other scum reads?

[Emperor flippyNips]

Also.
I'm gonna drop the topic now, but I heavily disagree with two separate assessments made regarding the Traitor-talk.
First of all, if someone thinks they have spotted a tell for a traitor, it does not matter how "common" they are. If they are allowed in Normals, they can be in any and every game.
I just finished a game with two Millers, Innocent Child, a Town Ascetic Encryptor with no hoods and two scum in it. (11:2)

I do not EXPECT to run into a setup like this ever again, but that wasn't the first time on site with two Millers in the game.
So assuming something based on how common it is?
I think it has some similarities with how Gamblers fallacy works.

i honestly was done talking about traitor stuff on page whatever it started on. i was gonna say we'll deal with that if there's not a night kill one night but i looked at the normal guidelines & i guess they can't be recruited unless they're bulletproof?


do you mean two pairs of millers?

[Emperor flippyNips]

@una- why are you voting NS?

[Emperor flippyNips]

flippy isn't the worst vote in the world. I kinda want to vote espe for productivity reasons, but I don't like being on wagons with my scum reads. Feels wrong.

I don't necessarily want to argue against Hoopla's technical analysis. I mean, I generally agree that scum lurk more than town. But, given that it is d1, I'm not sure if scum are going to be lurking around thhaaaat much. I'm also not sure if lynching a lurker d1 is the way to go as well. I think that's more of a d2/d3 lynch. We cna get more info from lynching someone who isn't a lurker due to association tells going into d2.

I guess going off of Hoopla's system I would pref to lynch either renaissance. It must be noted that if you believe in hoopla's system you can't exonerate her for it, because it is her very system. SHe will perposfully play to look town under it as scum and town.....

I am thinking of shipping over to espe.


I also agree with prana that flippy is playing terrible and has a bunch of nothing posting. Thus, I would be willing to hop ship to him as a comprimise if deadline pressure comes our way. We have not heard from espe in ages. He should be verging on a prod. If he comes in and only p-doges, then I'll for sure vote for him....

Flippy supposedly caught up and then basically posted nothing. Like, actually nothing.

there wasn't much to post on, it was all traitor talk that i didn't care to engage in. other than that questions that popped up for me during my read thru got answered. i planned on isoing peoples at some point and seeing if i feel differently or spot something new but i haven't done that yet and idk when i'll get to it, for sure before the day ends

[Emperor flippyNips]

you know i still think hoopla is a decent vote but im gonna move on over to here


VOTE: gyphx i have a hunch

[Emperor flippyNips]

hoopla's wagon really wasn't going anywhere too, i need to look into esp cos i don't remember like.. any post by them and they seem to be the talk of the town

[Emperor flippyNips]

fuck actually i take it back

UNVOTE:


i've reconsidered and i think gyph is likely town

[Emperor flippyNips]

Currently I have cooldog and notsci as potential scum for going in to night prep immediately. Seems like a scum thing to focus on right now no?

Vote: Cooldog

i still don't get this night prep coment so maybe thats why i dont remember espi well, going thru it was making me foggy brained last night for some reason

[Emperor flippyNips]

well i don't really care for any of espeonage's post but nothing shouts scum in his iso to me, why are people sring him?

[notscience]

His night prep comment re me never happened and when questioned he first stalled answering then said he just roped me in there which shows he doesn’t care to divine my alignment which typically means he knows it

[Emperor flippyNips]

Wagons are good to move the game forward. Might I suggest a better player to wagon? Flippy is a lurker and when he is here he posts cash gifs, but other than that pressure on him doesn’t do much.

i think i've only played large games with you right gobble?

[Emperor flippyNips]

His night prep comment re me never happened and when questioned he first stalled answering then said he just roped me in there which shows he doesn’t care to divine my alignment which typically means he knows it

ahh i seeeee. hmmm something still isn't clicking scum there for me. he's at the bottom of the null list or lower end of it i guess. still null to me tho, i need more from him i think

[Emperor flippyNips]

Right now i'm susp of you, for reasons that I explained plus the lack of thoughts coming directly from you, and of flippyNips, because even though he's not being really serious, I don't like any of his posts currently

yeah it takes me a little bit to really get serious. thats why i end up lurking early on, i just don't like getting serious about little stuff on page 5 ya know? people always troll in the begining so i try not to get hung up on most things that are before page 10

[Emperor flippyNips]

just so everyone's aware im probably gonna be a little busy the next couple days but not V/La worthy so i may only post at nights and mornings but not sure. we'll see how things pan out

[Emperor flippyNips]

Ok, so now that Lickety is posting these are my thoughts.

Emperor is town
PranaDevil is town
Gypyx is town
Hiraki is town
CoolDog is town
Hoopla is town

Espeonage is scum
Agar is scum
Notscience is scum

CoolDog read is conditioned on something I don’t want t reveal right now.

is this in any order or? also has anything changed? you also waited for lickety to post but didn't include them in your list, why?

[Emperor flippyNips]

i think im gonna go out on a limb here and give gobble a town lean

[Emperor flippyNips]

after skimming their iso

[Emperor flippyNips]

i get town vibes from parans 136

and nothing stands out other than that, i think on the higher end of the null list. i just hate reading walls so feel like i missed something or else i would probably say town lean

[Emperor flippyNips]

i'll pay attention to the thread, but im done playing in isos for now

Spoiler:

[UnaBombaH]

That reads to me like a scum reaction.

How on earth did you get a read like that?
I'm starting to think you are the type of player who decide outcomes and reads first, and then make everything new fit that decision.
There was absolutely nothing about my latest post that wasn't dedicated to

correcting

false statements about my own play so far.
If you find that scummy, slap a vote on me.
I can't do much to help you.

Most of your posts are talking about Gypyx. Ergo talking a lot but not doing anything with your vote

Ah, but then you took an opportune time to scold me.
I have already said my piece regarding Gypyx, and I thought I made it rather clear as well, hmm?

Moving on, as should you.

[renaissance]

And Renaissance, i don't really see where you're pulling the townread from

What don't you get about it?

[renaissance]

gyphx. It's a hoopla, espe renassance scum read. Vote for hoopla. You know that list is scummy as hell. She says she is town hunting, but doesn't really provide reasons for it. AND her lynch pool is basically the entire town so she can wagon hop. Vote hoopla. You know this is the correct choice.

I'm scum with her because why? I haven't even defended her, I'm just neutral. Also, I don't see how you're so confident on her when a large part of her play seems to be playstyle. I recently read Team Mafia 2015 and uh... yeah

[renaissance]

..and second of all..

gypyx is likely only scum if there is a traitor. his alignment could sort itself out without us guessing, if one were to flip at some point.

But we do not know whether he'd be the traitor himself. Meaning that unless he's ever flipped himself, we might not get the confirmation that a Traitor exists.

There, now I'm done with the subject, and will look for scummy posts with a different perspective.

I still don't get this. If Gynx is OG scum, then he doesn't need to signal to his traitor by talking about them, since the traitor already knows who the scum are. If he's a traitor, that's possible the worst possible way to crumb traitor, right? I think his traitor paranoia is NAI in terms of traitors being in the game.