Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Battle Mage]

If I get to nominate, I want Tux claiming before Nauci.

[Battle Mage]

if Blair is scum and wins this game, this will be the biggest failure of my mafia career...and that is saying something.

[Battle Mage]

It's hard to see a world where Blair isn't scum, and equally importantly, if she's pushing to lynch me in LyLo, I'm completely vindicated anyway.

[Battle Mage]

and to think, I nearly lynched you when I first joined the damn game, until I bought into Freddie's charm!

[Blair]

I eagerly await your explanation for why the only rational interpretation of the events in this game is that Dunnstral and I disastrously cross-bussed.

But first, let's finish the mass claim.

[Battle Mage]

A bit of coaching from Blair to Dunnstral (and a scumslip to boot?):

I'm on page 2, Lillith (now Dunn) is scum for helping in 40

Feather (Nauci) is town for townslipping

gibus is town for being excited and unafraid

former was kind of being a douche

gibus is fucking hilarious

also, I looked up noob on the mafiawiki page of abbreviations and couldn't find it. would someone explain what it means, please.

how

lilith is for sure scum

I think copykat's switch from defending gibus ("scum wouldn't be trying to out masons in this thread") to attacking a "scumslip" feel contrived to me, like he is trying to get on the bandwagon as fast as possible and needs something to attack gibus for. Typically I think scum are more likely to attack something like that so suddenly and aggressively.

VOTE: copykat

I think this is L-2

disgusting vote

VOTE: Dunstral

Are we going to let this guy get away with this depth of reads?

Are you?

Press him on it. That post dubious #40 scumread might be a good place to start.

[Blair]

If Dunnstral and I were scum together, we had the opportunity to win the game yesterday if we could coordinate suspicion on to literally any townie.

So why would we initiate a 1v1 between ourselves so early in the phase when neither of us were under any real pressure? (Dunnstral had one person voting for him while most players seemed resigned to a no lynch)

I could see scum cross bussing near the end of the day after exhausting all other options, perhaps - but pretty much right out the gate? During what could have been a game-winning phase?

[Battle Mage]

This is Dunnstral's reaction to my assessment of Freddie (Blair) basically falling apart over his claim earlier in the game. He jumped right on the bus!

Uh... I agree with what Battle mage pointed out. In post 1122 quoted above, the implication/thought process is that Freddie was considering fake claiming, but they're not good at it so they're not going to, so they're 'just' claiming VT

VOTE: Blair

What I've seen from Freddie feels like scum. Votato looks like he is defending his irl friend without much in-game basis just because they're friends (just calling it how I see it). Formerfish looks like town. Osuka idk

This is some more thinly-concealed Blair coaching towards Dunnstral. Obviously a bit of a fraught relationship there - Blair clearly irritated that she replaced in, only for her buddy to bus her at the earliest opportunity:

(Dunnstral should also weigh in soon with his actual opinion instead of continuing to frame this as a conversation between Gibus and myself)

If you disagree, say so and provide evidence, instead of asking vague questions without acknowledging the posts and vote history I have already provided in the post you quoted.

(Dunnstral should also weigh in soon with his actual opinion instead of continuing to frame this as a conversation between Gibus and myself)

My opinion is that you're strangely aggressive over what is essentially a misunderstanding

[Battle Mage]

If Dunnstral and I were scum together, we had the opportunity to win the game yesterday if we could coordinate suspicion on to literally any townie.

So why would we initiate a 1v1 between ourselves so early in the phase when neither of us were under any real pressure? (Dunnstral had one person voting for him while most players seemed resigned to a no lynch)

I could see scum cross bussing near the end of the day after exhausting all other options, perhaps - but pretty much right out the gate? During what could have been a game-winning phase?

Maybe it was a strategy! I think you believe you're a good enough player to pull something like that off. And Dunnstral had been bussing you since he joined anyway. And besides, it only really went down that way because Dunnstral claimed and it fell apart if I recall?

Tux - You're claiming, Blair said so!

[Tuxedo Mask]

If I get to nominate, I want Tux claiming before Nauci.

Thought we were waiting on Nauci to make the call?

[Battle Mage]

If I get to nominate, I want Tux claiming before Nauci.

Thought we were waiting on Nauci to make the call?

Erm no, I get to choose the next claimer.

Nauci is in charge of strategy for the remainder of the day.

[Blair]

This is some more thinly-concealed Blair coaching towards Dunnstral. Obviously a bit of a fraught relationship there - Blair clearly irritated that she replaced in, only for her buddy to bus her at the earliest opportunity:

(Dunnstral should also weigh in soon with his actual opinion instead of continuing to frame this as a conversation between Gibus and myself)

The problem with this analysis is that Dunnstral was not voting for or scumreading me during this conversation. Which is unfortunate for your theory because Dunnstral "bussing" me there was the foundation of your argument.

If Dunnstral and I were scum together, we had the opportunity to win the game yesterday if we could coordinate suspicion on to literally any townie.

So why would we initiate a 1v1 between ourselves so early in the phase when neither of us were under any real pressure? (Dunnstral had one person voting for him while most players seemed resigned to a no lynch)

I could see scum cross bussing near the end of the day after exhausting all other options, perhaps - but pretty much right out the gate? During what could have been a game-winning phase?

Maybe it was a strategy! I think you believe you're a good enough player to pull something like that off. And Dunnstral had been bussing you since he joined anyway. And besides, it only really went down that way because Dunnstral claimed and it fell apart if I recall?

No, it "went down that way" (as a 1v1) because Dunnstral claimed a guilty on me. The 1v1 was cooked into the claim from the beginning, which means the 1v1 was cooked into the scum strategy from the beginning.

[Battle Mage]

Blair, you're not going to convince me this was some mastermind strategy nobody would ever see through. I think it was a half-baked strategy which was poorly executed.

[Blair]

Retraction: Dunnstral was voting for me, actually. But he wasn't accusing me in that conversation, he was just disagreeing with my Gibus case. So why would I lash out at him for "bussing" me at that juncture?

[Blair]

Blair, you're not going to convince me this was some mastermind strategy nobody would ever see through. I think it was a half-baked strategy which was poorly executed.

I'm not going to convince you because you're scum.

You're accusing me of gamethrowing - if the scum team was Blair/Dunnstral we could have angled for a town lynch but instead chose to save ALL the townies by initiating a 1v1 at the beginning of the phase between ourselves?

I might try something like that in mid game, but not endgame. It's an unforced error.

[Battle Mage]

Blair, you're not going to convince me this was some mastermind strategy nobody would ever see through. I think it was a half-baked strategy which was poorly executed.

I'm not going to convince you because you're scum.

You're accusing me of gamethrowing - if the scum team was Blair/Dunnstral we could have angled for a town lynch but instead chose to save ALL the townies by initiating a 1v1 at the beginning of the phase between ourselves?

I might try something like that in mid game, but not endgame.

It's an unforced error.

scumslip

[Blair]

dunnstral claimed tracker with no counterclaim? and he's at -1 in lylo? is that right....

This is one of the scummiest posts in this game, by the way.

He made this post as part of a three consecutive, uninterrupted posts that ended with him proclaiming both Dunnstral and I were scum.

[Blair]

Battle Mage, read the sentence immediately before the one you bolded. I'm describing the hypothetical gambit as an unforced error, not Dunnstral's claim. You're plainly arguing in bad faith.

[Battle Mage]

dunnstral claimed tracker with no counterclaim? and he's at -1 in lylo? is that right....

This is one of the scummiest posts in this game, by the way.

He made this post as part of a three consecutive, uninterrupted posts that ended with him proclaiming both Dunnstral and I were scum.

because I implied I thought Dunnstral might be town, whilst he was on the cusp of being lynched? Yes because I would clearly do that with my scumbuddy.

You're barking up the wrong tree here, this makes me conf-town if you know my meta!

[Blair]

2288, 2289, and 2290 are all yours.

Why try to save Dunnstral in 2288 and then call him scum in 2290?

[Battle Mage]

Blair, I've already made my mind up, subject to claim shenanigans. And if you're town, you're responsible for us being in this mess, by not pushing for the massclaim yesterday when it would have been more informative, and for tunnelling me relentlessly which is tantamount to throwing the game. You've made it such that if you're town, town can't win. Which is a situation yesterday I tried very hard to avoid, using correct mafia approach. But we are where we are!

[Blair]

2290 contains three theories, all of which include Dunnstral in their solves.

Yet you're theorizing that it's ridiculous to lynch him at the exact same time?

As for claiming yesterday, I explained exactly why I was against it, and then I immediately supported it after Dunnstral's claim (even as you continued claiming everyone was opposed to claiming).

Meanwhile, you never explained why your plan to massclaim and then no lynch was optimal, instead repeatedly referencing some Mith post from an unrelated game that you never actually pointed us to.

[Tuxedo Mask]

If I get to nominate, I want Tux claiming before Nauci.

Thought we were waiting on Nauci to make the call?

Erm no, I get to choose the next claimer.

Nauci is in charge of strategy for the remainder of the day.

Okay, I'm...

Town Jailkeeper

I Jailed FF N1. Softed here.

Everyone should click my link and post a comment on it in here. Kthxbai

That's So FFucking Cute!

Jailed Blair N2, which I didn't soft but it's how I knew Dunn was lying.

Then I jailed Battlemage N3 (probably a mistake in retrospect but I was really certain of that team), so he's conf town. Softed here.

Are you claiming that you tracked Blair to Alortrom last night so they must be the roleblocker?

YES

Lets end this battle.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Battle Mage]

I'm conf-town? excellent! good work Tux, your claim was worth the wait. Let's wait for Nauci just to check she isn't countering or something mad.

[Battle Mage]

If I get to nominate, I want Tux claiming before Nauci.

Thought we were waiting on Nauci to make the call?

Erm no, I get to choose the next claimer.

Nauci is in charge of strategy for the remainder of the day.

Okay, I'm...

Town Jailkeeper

I Jailed FF N1. Softed here.

Everyone should click my link and post a comment on it in here. Kthxbai

That's So FFucking Cute!

Jailed Blair N2, which I didn't soft but it's how I knew Dunn was lying.

Then I jailed Battlemage N3 (probably a mistake in retrospect but I was really certain of that team), so he's conf town. Softed here.

Are you claiming that you tracked Blair to Alortrom last night so they must be the roleblocker?

YES

Lets end this battle.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Also that must mean scum tried to kill FF (me) on Night 1?