ngl I don't think he is scum still... which probably says a lot about my willingness to town read people.In post 2124, Starbuck wrote:He literally didn't understand why I would have talked with farside in the Quiz PT last night. I mean, come on.
I honestly don't know. I don't think it's a reaction test though. I just think nobody is pushing him for it because this is how he's been acting the whole time.In post 2113, farside22 wrote:Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.In post 2112, Raya36 wrote:I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.
VOTE: Starbuck
That has 2 scum in it.In post 2118, beeboy wrote:A vote is a literal act of passing the chain to keep someone once we get a vote count it'll be clear.
Unwnd -> Me -> Raya -> Farside -> Starbucks.
We all have the chain right now.
Doesn’t matter if majority think he’s scum.In post 2106, Raya36 wrote:Beeboy, please don't give it to TSE. The majority think Midway is scum and he's going to immediately give it to him
In post 2110, Raya36 wrote:VOTE: Farside
Top town read besides PB who I think will have a better chance of getting the chain than farside. Also mine and Farside's reads align better.
In post 2113, farside22 wrote:Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.In post 2112, Raya36 wrote:I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.
VOTE: Starbuck
I'm part of the people that think he's scum though. Is tone the only reason you think he's town? Also I asked you to look at my case on him and tell me why I'm wrong
I mean it doesn’t honestly matter now.In post 2127, Starbuck wrote:What is our vote count on the quiz? I think it's pertinent to hold on the chain for the moment until that approve/deny is through.
HereIn post 2107, Raya36 wrote:Actually TSE, can you explain why Midway is lockdown to you? Tell me why my read on him in 1681 is wrong.
Your case doses make sense however you aren’t looking at some other solid points.In post 2134, Raya36 wrote:HereIn post 2107, Raya36 wrote:Actually TSE, can you explain why Midway is lockdown to you? Tell me why my read on him in 1681 is wrong.
Yes. I asked TSE where the wheel was and got ignored. He joked his reads were decided by the wheel. He did get a bit tunnelly there to so the meta (if people use that) isn't rock solid. Yet he tunneled town, so I can be pretty confident in Farside and Starbuck being town.In post 2123, beeboy wrote:Wait it goes downhill from outright pretending/actually not reading the game?In post 2121, Titus wrote:My issue with TSE is that he's not trolling enough. That's meta so it's weak as fuck though.In post 2113, farside22 wrote:Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.In post 2112, Raya36 wrote:I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.
VOTE: Starbuck
SighIn post 2137, Titus wrote:Yes. I asked TSE where the wheel was and got ignored. He joked his reads were decided by the wheel. He did get a bit tunnelly there to so the meta (if people use that) isn't rock solid. Yet he tunneled town, so I can be pretty confident in Farside and Starbuck being town.In post 2123, beeboy wrote:Wait it goes downhill from outright pretending/actually not reading the game?In post 2121, Titus wrote:My issue with TSE is that he's not trolling enough. That's meta so it's weak as fuck though.In post 2113, farside22 wrote:Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.In post 2112, Raya36 wrote:I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.
VOTE: Starbuck
I don't like TSE (where's the wheel) and Mid ignoring me (what's his read on me).
I still think Starbuck is town, idk. Is you're reason an association with Farside or she independently scum to you?In post 2128, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:That has 2 scum in it.In post 2118, beeboy wrote:A vote is a literal act of passing the chain to keep someone once we get a vote count it'll be clear.
Unwnd -> Me -> Raya -> Farside -> Starbucks.
We all have the chain right now.
Farside and Starbuck.
BothIn post 2141, beeboy wrote:I still think Starbuck is town, idk. Is you're reason an association with Farside or she independently scum to you?In post 2128, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:That has 2 scum in it.In post 2118, beeboy wrote:A vote is a literal act of passing the chain to keep someone once we get a vote count it'll be clear.
Unwnd -> Me -> Raya -> Farside -> Starbucks.
We all have the chain right now.
Farside and Starbuck.
ABR likely scumread Starbuck because she wouldn't comply with him. Referring to ABR's reads as good needs evidence beyond ABR because that makes me dislike the posting.In post 2139, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:SighIn post 2137, Titus wrote:Yes. I asked TSE where the wheel was and got ignored. He joked his reads were decided by the wheel. He did get a bit tunnelly there to so the meta (if people use that) isn't rock solid. Yet he tunneled town, so I can be pretty confident in Farside and Starbuck being town.In post 2123, beeboy wrote:Wait it goes downhill from outright pretending/actually not reading the game?In post 2121, Titus wrote:My issue with TSE is that he's not trolling enough. That's meta so it's weak as fuck though.In post 2113, farside22 wrote:Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.In post 2112, Raya36 wrote:I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.
VOTE: Starbuck
I don't like TSE (where's the wheel) and Mid ignoring me (what's his read on me).
That wheel thing was because I got Vengeful in that game.
Keep in mine your slot owner was scum reading Starbuck and I suggest you read his posts about Starbuck so you can get back on the right track.
TSE's theory requires all scum to rapidly pass to each other despite very little suspicion on each other.In post 2141, beeboy wrote:I still think Starbuck is town, idk. Is you're reason an association with Farside or she independently scum to you?In post 2128, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:That has 2 scum in it.In post 2118, beeboy wrote:A vote is a literal act of passing the chain to keep someone once we get a vote count it'll be clear.
Unwnd -> Me -> Raya -> Farside -> Starbucks.
We all have the chain right now.
Farside and Starbuck.
Tone isn't a strong tell when there's an actual scum case that makes sense. No offense but it's not hard to make a good scum case on you. You're an easy target for scum right nowIn post 2135, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Your case doses make sense however you aren’t looking at some other solid points.In post 2134, Raya36 wrote:HereIn post 2107, Raya36 wrote:Actually TSE, can you explain why Midway is lockdown to you? Tell me why my read on him in 1681 is wrong.
1-He had an actual case on me and the only one that didn’t feel forced IMO
2-His overall town comes way more from a Town PoV then a Scum’s PoV.
We can rig the order where TSE and Midway are the bottom two. I volunteer to be third in that setup. I think TSE might be town just terribly wrong.In post 2146, Raya36 wrote:Your town read on midway just doesnt feel genuine. You say he's locktown to you but your only reasoning is he has a good scum case on you when half the game thinks you're scum too and tone. And I completely disagree with tone anyway. His tone is not suggesting town to me.
In post 1996, Starbuck wrote:I went to go read NDMath in ISO to see if I can't get a better feel for him and dude only has 14 posts in the game out of 80 something pages now. That's blowing my mind.
Anyways, some questions and observations for you, ND, if you would be so kind:
Have these reads changed any? If so, why?In post 120, NDMath wrote:I townread TSE/BeeBoy/Dunn.
TSE less so right now with how confident he is of his scum team theory which makes little sense to me and that he keeps dragging it out while not even keeping up with the game enough to know whether or not he has the chain.
I appreciated your response to me RE: TSE and his spam in 305. You were one of the only people to answer that question for me and helped put me on the path to keeping TSE at null/leaning town for the most part, so far. I'm trying not to get caught up thinking he's scum due to his playstyle being quite abrasive, even though he's screaming my name from the rooftops now.
In that same post, you quoted ABR asking for a lynch pool and you listed - "unwnd, sircakez, starbuck, midway." Can you give your reasons for who you listed then, if that list has changed, and why?
Day 1 TSE was my top town read and I was understanding his vision of the game better then, which was a factor of unwnd and sircakez. I also hadn't like either of their tones, and they had been my scum reads of the group. Cakez became townie when he was at bottom 2, and unwnd's claim is a rather bold claim for scum. Midway I've never seen much of a reason to townread. I scumread a couple of your early catch ups and was uneasy about you being on the quiz team.
You voted to deny yesterday's quiz based on.....
You obviously don't feel the same today because you already voted to approve. Did that change because you're on the quiz team or for other reasons?In post 823, NDMath wrote:My opinion is that we should wait to decide quiz until we have only 3-4 people unchained so we don't have unnatural hangproofs.
I gave up on that since chain leader has full control at that point and I wouldn't be able to change unwnd's mind at that point. In addition I like this team more than the first.
I do think you following with the plan, and giving the chain to farside, gives you town points. You could have just done whatever you wanted, but you acted on behalf of the greater good.
It's interesting because you put Unwnd in your lynch pool, but then came out believing his claim. There's been quite a bit of questioning surrounding his claim from those I view as town and those I view as scum. What was it about it that made you think he was genuine?In post 1440, NDMath wrote:I believe the claim. I don't see what was wrong with it beyond weird phrasing.
The majority of the questioning was from the weird phrasing. Looking past that it's a bold scum claim since it mechanically narrows the number of people on a quiz.
Moving onto Day 2....
Albert was no where mentioned in your posts on Day 1. Why the sudden change? I'm not so worried about me, as you mentioned me above, and I hope you give insight to your reads.In post 1604, NDMath wrote:My biggest scumread is Albert. I don't see town asking for an entirely new group since then it'll just fail to a different scum. And overall his attitude about the game doesn't come off as natural.
Of the people on the quiz I scumread starbuck, but that read isn't really compatible with the Albert one.
I first scumread him for the weird exchange where he got the chain from spring, at which time there wasn't much point in expressing the read. Titus is null for me currently.
I appreciate this.In post 1980, NDMath wrote:If I ever claim to do something like that, know with certainty that I'm scum.
I'm doubting my TSE read now since I don't get why he's so confident on both starbuck and farside after being wrong day 1 and then not really knowing what happened.In post 2078, Dunnstral wrote:You can't be this disconnectedIn post 2075, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:You guys we’re both in quiz PT?In post 2070, Starbuck wrote:What are you talking about? I was interacting with farside all Day yesterday and last night in the Quiz PT, and it's time that I interact with those that I don't read as town.In post 2050, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:A thing to note.
Farside and Starbuck refuse to interact with each other in an actual interaction.