Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

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VOTE COUNT 1.14

Bingle [3]

: Menalque [120], Firebringer [369], gobbledygook [552]

PenguinPower [2]

: Blake Belladonna [69], lilith2013 [103]

Menalque [1]:

Datisi [18]

MariaR [1]:

skitter30 [476]

skitter30 [1]:

MariaR [592]

gobbledygook [1]:

Bingle [622]

Not Voting [4]:

Something_Smart, Pink Ball, Chemist1422, PenguinPower [459]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

[skitter30]

MariaR is scum for her page 21 shenanigans. She’s not acting as a proactive town. Everything on that page was reactive and not scumhunting imo

That said, I don’t want her to die day 1 as scum. I’m tired of that

Page 21 was me answering questions, what exactly was I supposed to be scumhunting/what would town Maria do in that case? Also lets ignore the fact I am a reactive player and you tell me why playing reactive is bad. I am literally starting to doubt my gobble scumread for the sole purpose his arguments have more holes than swiss cheese. Is he normally this obvious if he flips scum or?

VOTE: Skitter

Oh I'm scumreading the 2 people scumreading me, guess that's omgus on my part. Or at least, someone will say it is

oh i'd love to hear more about this

[skitter30]

I'm also having real life problems currently, so I'm not looking to hyperengage right now. I'm still following along, roughly.

i hope things become better for you soon!

i think ss might be scum but i'm holding off on commiting to that till he's back from vla and can engage properly

[Something_Smart]

You called?

[Something_Smart]

(I'm back btw, Monday was a generous estimate.)

[gobbledygook]

oh i'd love to hear more about this

Me2

[skitter30]

@ss so far your engagement feels like city but i acknowledge that might be a function of you being vla so i don't want to push super hard there yet, but if it doesn't improve post-vla (plus a reasonable amount of time to catch up) i'll probably be pushing you

[Something_Smart]

That sounds like only half of what's required for a meta case.

[skitter30]

it's kinda entirely how i utilize meta, whether or not people feel the same to games wherein i know their alignment

[Something_Smart]

Foreshadowing a push sounds like something that would be objectionable but I actually think doing it so directly is more towny than not.

[Something_Smart]

it's kinda entirely how i utilize meta, whether or not people feel the same to games wherein i know their alignment

You compare people to their scumgames without asking whether their towngames are also similar?

[Firebringer]

SS u feel more distant to this game than usual.

[Bingle]

Recent Bingle games:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82907

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: mastina scum, many townreads, very proactive, shot N1.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82724

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: literal full reads list with several confident scumreads AND townreads within a couple of days.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: I had a 5 person PoE pool within 24 hours of posting.

tl;dr:

Not only do I not believe that Gobbles thinks effort is scum indicative from me (I'm pretty sure he's been present for multiple walls about why it's not with exhaustive meta analysis) he has recently seen exclusively the he's scumreading me for as town. Not in one game. In EVERY game we've played together over the past few months. He routinely gives me shit for hard defending scum slots as town in the dead thread, something that most of this game can attest to first hand.

My reads accuracy is a crapshoot. My having reads and pushing them? Not so much. And I don't think gobbles genuinely believes that it is, because town him has never pushed this angle. He's pushed 'Bingles reads are crap so he must be scum', but never 'Bingle having hard reads is scummy' despite all of the games in which I had those hard reads early.

That's 3 of my last 6 completed games. The others: Jigsaw, where I replaced in and immediately had a bunch of hard reads. Fairly Special, where I replaced in and was nightkilled for tunneling scum

before I had caught up on the thread

, and Donnie Brasco where my entire play was catching onto a Maria/Ali interaction and then immediately shouting for everyone to shut up and lynch until we won to prevent Maria from being outed.

[Something_Smart]

SS u feel more distant to this game than usual.

I think that's probably because I'm more distant to this game than usual.

[skitter30]

it's kinda entirely how i utilize meta, whether or not people feel the same to games wherein i know their alignment

You compare people to their scumgames without asking whether their towngames are also similar?

more like i compare them to all the games that i played with them, figure out which one is the best 'match' and see what their alignment was in that game

[Firebringer]

SS u feel more distant to this game than usual.

I think that's probably because I'm more distant to this game than usual.

Okay well I wanted 3 people for u to pick for me to ISO. Then I wanted u to figure out which one i was lying about my opinion on.

[Something_Smart]

more like i compare them to all the games that i played with them, figure out which one is the best 'match' and see what their alignment was in that game

I guess that makes sense. What about my engagement is closer to City than PYP?

[skitter30]

you being distant and commenting on superficial setup stuff instead of reads stuff
(again might be a function of being vla but if it keeps up it's scummy for you)

[Something_Smart]

I'm pretty sure the very first thing I did in PYP was get in an argument about whether a governor should claim.

[Bingle]

SS u feel more distant to this game than usual.

I think that's probably because I'm more distant to this game than usual.

Okay well I wanted 3 people for u to pick for me to ISO. Then I wanted u to figure out which one i was lying about my opinion on.

Spoiler: He thinks I'm the second hottest player ITT.

[skitter30]

I'm pretty sure the very first thing I did in PYP was get in an argument about whether a governor should claim.

yeah but you actually felt invested in that argument
here you're just passively making comments

[Something_Smart]

if it keeps up it's scummy for you

This is probably a product of lack of experience with me and so I'm not holding it against you, but this is definitely not true.

[skitter30]

ok
i could be wrong but this is what i view to be the difference between your town and scumgames

[Something_Smart]

It probably is. I'm a lot more likely to appear invested in things as scum.

[Something_Smart]

Okay well I wanted 3 people for u to pick for me to ISO. Then I wanted u to figure out which one i was lying about my opinion on.

Do you still want me to do this?