Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

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VOTE COUNT 1.16

gobbledygook [4]:

Bingle [622], Datisi [651], Menalque [665], MariaR [668]

Bingle [2]

: Firebringer [369], gobbledygook [552]

PenguinPower [2]

: Blake Belladonna [69], lilith2013 [103]

MariaR [2]:

skitter30 [476], PenguinPower [694]

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart, Pink Ball, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

[Firebringer]

ngl, the speed is very unnerving.

Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

why

[PenguinPower]

Good on you mod.

[skitter30]

can any of the like 5 people on that wagon explain why gobbles is scummy now?
i really don't get it

and VOTE: something_smart

[Bingle]

There's a difference between good case and 0 votes to L-1 in an hour.

With that said, none of the votes really strike me as opportunistic.

Maria's would be the worst, but she's been clearly telegraphing a gobbles scumread independently of my own since before mine existed.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: something smart

[skitter30]

ngl, the speed is very unnerving.

Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?

[Bingle]

@skitter

my case:

Recent Bingle games:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82907

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: mastina scum, many townreads, very proactive, shot N1.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82724

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: literal full reads list with several confident scumreads AND townreads within a couple of days.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: I had a 5 person PoE pool within 24 hours of posting.

tl;dr:

Not only do I not believe that Gobbles thinks effort is scum indicative from me (I'm pretty sure he's been present for multiple walls about why it's not with exhaustive meta analysis) he has recently seen exclusively the he's scumreading me for as town. Not in one game. In EVERY game we've played together over the past few months. He routinely gives me shit for hard defending scum slots as town in the dead thread, something that most of this game can attest to first hand.

My reads accuracy is a crapshoot. My having reads and pushing them? Not so much. And I don't think gobbles genuinely believes that it is, because town him has never pushed this angle. He's pushed 'Bingles reads are crap so he must be scum', but never 'Bingle having hard reads is scummy' despite all of the games in which I had those hard reads early.

That's 3 of my last 6 completed games. The others: Jigsaw, where I replaced in and immediately had a bunch of hard reads. Fairly Special, where I replaced in and was nightkilled for tunneling scum

before I had caught up on the thread

, and Donnie Brasco where my entire play was catching onto a Maria/Ali interaction and then immediately shouting for everyone to shut up and lynch until we won to prevent Maria from being outed.

Maria's case:

I want gobble to explain like, anything. His reads feel entirely made up on the spot/meaning to take advantage of the game state. It's a light read that will probably change when he gives me the sit down, but until then I will call him scum. This game had a lot more filler than I was expecting, making it a bit harder to get into it.

[Something_Smart]

why

Because flash wagons happen a lot and flash defenses do not happen a lot.

[skitter30]

VOTE: Gobble

L-1

actually what is this
VOTE: maria

[Firebringer]

why

Because flash wagons happen a lot and flash defenses do not happen a lot.

but there was literally no case on gobbles scum? the flash wagon didn't have a case attached. It was like everyone just jumped on for 0 reason. Why wouldn't anyone call that out as weird or ask people to explain

[Bingle]

warmpuppy has my posts hidden.

[Something_Smart]

what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?

It means exactly what it says. I don't really care that gobble's wagon reached L-2 quickly, but I do care that a bunch of people immediately stepped in to defend him. I wasn't suggesting that any particular conclusion should be drawn from it.

I'm townleaning him.

[Firebringer]

warmpuppy has my posts hidden.

yeah. But i don't see ur case as the reason anyone jumped on. It was pretty random flash wagon. And I don't think ur points against gobbles are good either

[skitter30]

Maria's case:

yeah that's why i voted mariar in the first place

gobble did you respond to jingle's case against you?

[skitter30]

what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?

It means exactly what it says. I don't really care that gobble's wagon reached L-2 quickly, but I do care that a bunch of people immediately stepped in to defend him. I wasn't suggesting that any particular conclusion should be drawn from it.

I'm townleaning him.

ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

[Something_Smart]

but there was literally no case on gobbles scum? the flash wagon didn't have a case attached. It was like everyone just jumped on for 0 reason. Why wouldn't anyone call that out as weird or ask people to explain

I'm not saying it isn't a good thing to do. I'm saying it's unusual.

[Something_Smart]

ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

Because that rarely happens?

[Firebringer]

idgi that u don't care that a townlean was flashed to L-2.

[Firebringer]

why u townleaning gobbles again?

[skitter30]

ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

Because that rarely happens?

ok and the conclusion is ...

like why are you pointing it out if you think he's town anyways? isn't it a good thing that people are defendign him?

[gobbledygook]

Maria's case:

yeah that's why i voted mariar in the first place

gobble did you respond to jingle's case against you?

I did.

guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it

ngl, the speed is very unnerving. I'm not sure who would be scum hopping on though, and I definitely still want to hear gobbles talk about why me doing literally the only thing he's seen town me do consistently for months is somehow scum indicative.

I can't remember town!you casing someone as early as you did with Menalque in this game.

[Datisi]

warmpuppy has my posts hidden.

yeah. But i don't see ur case as the reason anyone jumped on. It was pretty random flash wagon. And I don't think ur points against gobbles are good either

i literally just said i'm sheeping bingle

[skitter30]

ok, and why is something that you think is unlikely to come from town!jingle?

fire i'm townreading you and it's scaring me

[Firebringer]

fire i'm townreading you and it's scaring me

eww gross get ur townread away from me.