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[Firebringer]

warmpuppy has my posts hidden.

yeah. But i don't see ur case as the reason anyone jumped on. It was pretty random flash wagon. And I don't think ur points against gobbles are good either

i literally just said i'm sheeping bingle

I stand by my statement.

[Something_Smart]

why u townleaning gobbles again?

Fair enough. I feel like gobble would respect Bingle enough to try to come up with some reason for scumreading him rather than just dropping straight-up gut and refusing to clarify.

[Firebringer]

i think gobbles sort of explained a bingle read unless i am mistaken.

[Something_Smart]

ok and the conclusion is ...

like why are you pointing it out if you think he's town anyways? isn't it a good thing that people are defendign him?

The conclusion is not there yet. But if you're curious, my first instinct was that gobbles was being whiteknighted by scum who wanted to stay off the wagon.

It is a good thing that people are defending him. That doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion on the people doing it that isn't good.

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't like either side of this skitter30 vs Something_Smart exchange.

[MariaR]

Think the only 3 I'm voting in today is Skitter/Gobble/SS

[Firebringer]

The conclusion is not there yet. But if you're curious, my first instinct was that gobbles was being whiteknighted by scum who wanted to stay off the wagon.

okay but who.
theres me, skitter, and blake who didn't like the wagon.

[gobbledygook]

Honestly, though.

I am starting to get the impression that my usual day one methods may not work this game. Don't get too hyped up.

What are your usual Day 1 methods?

[MariaR]

VOTE: Gobble

L-1

actually what is this
VOTE: maria

Me voting my scumread?

[Blake Belladonna]

I never said I didn't like the wagon. I said I don't understand it.

There's a big difference.

[gobbledygook]

I think Bingle is scumreading me because he has never seen scum!Turkey.

[skitter30]

VOTE: something_smart

i am content with either a mariar or ss vote rn
i don't like the gobble thing

[Blake Belladonna]

Honestly, though.

I am starting to get the impression that my usual day one methods may not work this game. Don't get too hyped up.

What are your usual Day 1 methods?

1. Determine early townreads intuitively within the first several pages.
2. Determine what scum are likely to be doing assuming those slots are town. Get more townreads.
3. Determine which slot makes the most sense as scum from my read on the game.
4. Flip that slot.
5. Revise assumptions.
6. Repeat 3-5

[MariaR]

Is skitter normally this clueless or is she pretending? I see a lot of point A but none going to point B

[skitter30]

ok, what am i clueless about

[gobbledygook]

Dw Mena if it makes you feel better there's about a list of 5 players that scare me/know how to read me. Just do your best and don't have your 'want me to be town' blind ya. As for Blake, I think I can read her if she plays the game more actively but I haven't played with half hearted Blake before so its hard.

This entrance is somewhat similar to my play in the first half of TM2020's large. The only significant difference is that I'm not trying to force anything.

I'm also having real life problems currently, so I'm not looking to hyperengage right now. I'm still following along, roughly.

I did not like this preemptive self-meta from you, Blake. Why did you feel compelled to bring this up in response to MariaR's post?

[Something_Smart]

i think gobbles sort of explained a bingle read unless i am mistaken.

I guess. The point was mostly about him dropping "My gut." and then leaving; explaining it later isn't necessarily going to calm the pushback doing that might get (in fact it might make it worse).

[Blake Belladonna]

Dw Mena if it makes you feel better there's about a list of 5 players that scare me/know how to read me. Just do your best and don't have your 'want me to be town' blind ya. As for Blake, I think I can read her if she plays the game more actively but I haven't played with half hearted Blake before so its hard.

This entrance is somewhat similar to my play in the first half of TM2020's large. The only significant difference is that I'm not trying to force anything.

I'm also having real life problems currently, so I'm not looking to hyperengage right now. I'm still following along, roughly.

I did not like this preemptive self-meta from you, Blake. Why did you feel compelled to bring this up in response to MariaR's post?

I have the feeling that if I don't stop the momentum on that thought immediately, it will result in paranoia scumreads in later days.

[MariaR]

ok, what am i clueless about

I see a lot of questions like you're unaware of what the game state is or you're trying to develop reads but I don't see good or any follow up at times. I think you're just trying to stay busy on the sidelines. You don't get a wagon? Then explain your read on the slot and defend it. If you're really this clueless as you're portraying than I can help, but I don't think you are.

[Something_Smart]

okay but who.
theres me, skitter, and blake who didn't like the wagon.

Who what?

[MariaR]

You agree SS is scummy right? What's the bases of your SS scumread?

[MariaR]

basis
fucking phone

[skitter30]

ok, what am i clueless about

I see a lot of questions like you're unaware of what the game state is or you're trying to develop reads but I don't see good or any follow up at times. I think you're just trying to stay busy on the sidelines. You don't get a wagon? Then explain your read on the slot and defend it. If you're really this clueless as you're portraying than I can help, but I don't think you are.

i think i'm p aware of the gamestate rn?
and i think i'm being proactive in developing reads and sharing them?
i don't know if i townread gobbles but the wagon came out of nowhere for dubious reasons imo and i'm suspicious of how it formed

i'm not really sure where you're getting this impression from

[skitter30]

You agree SS is scummy right? What's the bases of your SS scumread?

- feels more distant than i think town!him would be
- taking weird stances
- feeling like on the edge of the game

[Something_Smart]

- feels more distant than i think town!him would be

Based on what?