Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

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VOTE COUNT 1.18

gobbledygook [4]:

Bingle [622], Datisi [651], Menalque [665], MariaR [668]

Something_Smart [2]

: Firebringer [705], skitter30 [736]

PenguinPower [1]

: lilith2013 [103]

Bingle [1]

: gobbledygook [552]

MariaR [1]:

PenguinPower [694]

Not Voting [4]:

Something_Smart, Pink Ball, Chemist1422, Blake Belladonna [756]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

[gobbledygook]

But if you really thought I was scum you would not be pushing me in the manner you're doing.

What is your basis for saying this? Are you an ornithologist?

[MariaR]

But if you really thought I was scum you would not be pushing me in the manner you're doing.

What is your basis for saying this? Are you an ornithologist?

You push me one game with such a level of confidence 1v1 me doing your best even if you're in the wrong. We go to this game where you won't even explain anything until you're prompted, twice and you have no energy.
In what world should I not find this scummy and weird?

[gobbledygook]

In what world should I not find this scummy and weird?

Presumably if the one you’re experiencing now is similar to a game you’ve had with me as scum, but that’s not how I play as scum and we’ve never seen Town!Mariar v scum!Turkey

[skitter30]

1) Gobble thought I was scum in a pervious game and went after me hard for it. Here he basically feels like a doormat. He's lacking any energy at all. It's not normal.
2) It's made up because the main reason he scumread me doesn't exist. He said I wasn't scumhunting on a page that was me answering questions.
3) Does the timing of my vote matter?

ok this makes a bit more sense
i'm not sure i agree but i get your pov now

i'm not sure if i'm voting you but UNVOTE:

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Skitter30

I will engage into this more later. I'm currently handling other things.

[Blake Belladonna]

I do strongly believe that Skitter30 and Something_Smart has scum within them.

[skitter30]

i don't know why town with those reads would say that, so it seems scummy to me. like it doesn't fit with the thought process you're purporting to have about the game, and that's a scum characteristic imo

Can you elaborate on what you think I said and why you think it doesn't make sense?

i think you said that you're townreading gobbles
and that it's strange that multiple people came into the thread to complain about the wagon against him
(and that's weirder than multiple people wagoning him)

but if you think he's town i'm not sure why it's strange that people don't like his wagon

[skitter30]

VOTE: Skitter30

I will engage into this more later. I'm currently handling other things.

i do strongly want to hear more about this assessment when you have more time

[skitter30]

And when I did helpfully tell her the thought process I was having, while explaining that I didn't have a conclusion yet, she seems to be treating it as though that was some ironclad claim I made.

it's not an ironclad claim but it's a thought process that doesn't make sense to me

[Something_Smart]

i think you said that you're townreading gobbles
and that it's strange that multiple people came into the thread to complain about the wagon against him
(and that's weirder than multiple people wagoning him)

but if you think he's town i'm not sure why it's strange that people don't like his wagon

I mean, I think it was pretty clearly explained in my posts?

It is very rarely the case that I see multiple people come in to see a wagon that has picked up rapidly and immediately speak out against it. A lot of the time, the only person doing this is me, and a lot of the time I am ignored. I don't DISAGREE with the people doing it. I just think it's objectively a rare occurrence and therefore worth noting.

[Something_Smart]

it's not an ironclad claim but it's a thought process that doesn't make sense to me

The thought process is: "This thing happened. It doesn't happen a lot. I wonder if it means anything?"

What part of that doesn't make sense to you?

[skitter30]

It is very rarely the case that I see multiple people come in to see a wagon that has picked up rapidly and immediately speak out against it. A lot of the time, the only person doing this is me, and a lot of the time I am ignored. I don't DISAGREE with the people doing it. I just think it's objectively a rare occurrence and therefore worth noting.

i feel like this is something i say all the time, and that people say in my games a lot so i'm not even sure why it's strange enough that you feel the need to remark upon it

in the context of people saying that it's strange his wagon got run up so high so fast, you chiming in to say that you think it's strange that people are saying that makes it seem like you're shading the people protesting the speed of the wagon, which is the part that seems incongruent with townleaning gobble to me

[skitter30]

i don't know how to explain that better

[skitter30]

oh i unvoted ss
VOTE: something_smart

[Something_Smart]

you chiming in to say that you think it's strange that people are saying that makes it seem like you're shading the people protesting the speed of the wagon, which is the part that seems incongruent with townleaning gobble to me

It sounds like you're saying that town can't believe that scum would defend town? Because if I think gobble is town, then the only way that read would affect my read on the people commenting on his wagon is if I didn't think that scum would be defending a wagon on town. Since I clearly think it's possible for scum to defend town, I don't see what's incongruent.

Also, you seem to be confusing me saying what I think is possible versus saying what I believe. I hate the term "shading" as it's really just a charged way to say "having a negative opinion of", but I wouldn't say I was doing that to the gobble defenders, just because I put forward a possibility.

[skitter30]

ngl, the speed is very unnerving.

Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

i don't know how else to explain what i'm thinking
this post doesn't 'match' you saying you have a townlean on gobble

[Something_Smart]

It sounds like you're saying that my thoughts don't divide everyone neatly into a "town" or "scum" box, and that's bad.

[Something_Smart]

Or in other words, you have an extremely superficial view of what you expect from town.

[skitter30]

i think that's an inaccurate assessment

[skitter30]

It sounds like you're saying that my thoughts don't divide everyone neatly into a "town" or "scum" box, and that's bad.

also i'm not sure that this what i'm saying either

[Something_Smart]

i think that's an inaccurate assessment

Well, see if you can explain it better. Because that's the impression I have from what you've said so far.

[skitter30]

ss what are you trying to do here?

[Something_Smart]

Understand your thought process so I can try to show you where I disagree.

[skitter30]

how are you reading me rn ?