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Vote Count 4.3

Dunnstral

(2): CantLynchAPuppy, votato

CantLynchAPuppy

(1): Dunnstral

hellbooks

(1): VP Baltar

Not Voting

(3): ready2rock, mavsfan41, hellbooks

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-06-14 03:20:00)

[hellbooks]

it's the opposite. he doesn't think it's anything else.

Who do you think is the scum then?

you're my top scumread! Hopefully that doesn't come as a surprise to you right now! VP, if we lynch dunn and he flips town, what's your follow up? Where do you look next? what's the impact on your solve?

[votato]

dunn have you already said where you want us to lynch tomorrow and why?

[ready2rock]

OK after having some time to think it over I feel more confident about my read yesterday than my read today

VOTE: hellbooks

I think this flip gives more info than dunn anyway, so I'm not making the same mistake 2 days in a row

[mavsfan41]

Okay, so I’m super torn between hellbooks and puppy. Dunn has been scummy, but see my argument why I think he’s not actually scum. I l’m concerned right now with hellbooks amassing votes cause she does seem like low hanging fruit. And before y’all blast me for the terminology, midway was basically the same thing. And at least a few townies voted that.

[VP Baltar]

it's the opposite. he doesn't think it's anything else.

Who do you think is the scum then?

you're my top scumread! Hopefully that doesn't come as a surprise to you right now! VP, if we lynch dunn and he flips town, what's your follow up? Where do you look next? what's the impact on your solve?

Who is my partner then?

Also, also...you're not even voting me.

@mavs - you don't need reservations about hellbrooks. I've caught both scum here and we are cruising to victory. Either one is acceptable.

[CantHateAPuppy]

i think hellbooks in the last few pages looks fine

otherwise, uh, we're obviously lynching dunn, right? no amount of wifom or second thoughts stops dunn from being the obviously correct lynch here

[CantHateAPuppy]

like, he quickhammered a second time, and his excuse is that he didn't want to get more scrutiny when half the scrutiny he got is for quickhammering the first time

that's scum!

[VP Baltar]

i think hellbooks in the last few pages looks fine

Looks fine? You serious?

Who is Dunn's partner then?

[votato]

so its either [hellbooks, puppy] or [dunn, vp], right? I think the first pair is more likely but i still also think we have to lynch dunn today

[hellbooks]

if literally everyone agrees on lynching dunn and he flips scum (and let the record show that i do NOT think this)-- please do not discount VP Baltar. He's simultaneously going with the accepted opinion that dunn should die while also trying to pivot it away to a wagon on me.

[hellbooks]

R2R feels stagnant and had a bad switch onto midway and it feels like he's coasting and letting lynches just happen + I really do think D1 hard busses are fully plausible and they happen not infrequently.

VP Baltar seems to me to be setting up to lay down a Dunn vote but wants to be more careful about it plus it feels like he's letting the quick hammer argument (which I don't find compelling at all) completely redirect him from his gameview yesterday which seemed to be that me and midway were the scummiest people (and now there's not a mention of me) + has not really posted anything to escape my POE pool for a full day phase

It's interesting that the two people who I have as scumreads right now: r2r and vp baltar -- have since been the ones to vote me today. (Of course, it's no surprise as both of them have been scumreading me for a while now.) However I think this is a weak point against them being scum together. I don't think that two scum would be so bold as to be #1 and #2 to be pushing a mislynch.

[hellbooks]

dunn, as the de facto lynch, seems to be largely a non presence here, mostly just pushing out weak platitudes and omgus statements. could imply a "caught" scum

[votato]

we also shouldnt forget about mr fruit vendor as potential scum

[VP Baltar]

if literally everyone agrees on lynching dunn and he flips scum (and let the record show that i do NOT think this)-- please do not discount VP Baltar. He's simultaneously going with the accepted opinion that dunn should die while also trying to pivot it away to a wagon on me.

Get out of here with this absurd BS.

First, I've been 100 percent clear on why my vote is where it is and my willingness to get rid of Dunn. You are so full of shit to say this is some counter wagon on Dunn to save him.

Second, it's hilarious how everything I post you say is further proof I'm scum. And yet, you have never made an actual case and YOU ARE NOT EVEN VOTING .

This is a huge scumtell. You are in a weak position and very concerned with people turning on you because you know I'm town and would not be an easy mislynch. I'm not going to roll over, so you just want to shade and shade in hopes some townie starts a wagon on me so you can vote and save your buddy Dunn.

Further, the place of argument you are coming from doesn't even make sense with Dunn town as you had previously been leaning. To make this argument, you must believe Dunn is scum, which you have not been seeming to think until suddenly.

[hellbooks]

look -- if everyone in the room is of a strong mind to lynch dunn, then that's a bunch of townies and one bussing scum coming together to make the inevitable happen. I just happen to be a holdout who's being idiotic and refusing to see it. But even more annoyingly, I'm not the type of person with the type of conviction to tell EVERYONE ELSE in the room: stop this nonsense. As in, am I SO confident to say that dunn should live to endgame? Am I willing to say that dunn should be there as a LYLO variable? Well, no. hell no. Because everyone else will pounce on him then, when the stakes are much higher.

What I'm trying to do right now is just get all of what I think out on the table, just get all my thoughts out there, and if people are finding those thoughts useful then great.

My thought is, well firstly: sorry for being such a thorn in your side. especially if you do turn out to be town. That definitely seems like it would be frustrating if you're town but, like -- if your messaging right now is "oh i'm so confident that hellbooks and dunn are scum together. we've got this game on lock. I'M just waiting for everyone else to say their piece so we can move this along. in fact, when hellbooks asks me who will I consider if dunn flips town, I'm not even going to answer that. that's how confident I am."

that's what I'm hearing from you right now. Then why are you so on edge? Are you worried "some townie" is gonna start a wagon on you? where's your head at right now cause I don't understand why you come off as so frustrated with me -- to me that belies some kind of worry.

[mavsfan41]

we also shouldnt forget about mr fruit vendor as potential scum

That’s Mr. Disloyal Fruit Vendor to you good sir

[VP Baltar]

To be clear hellbrooks: I am not frustrated with you. This is a game played online and I think you're a very nice person for potentially worrying about upsetting people. I would never take a game so seriously as to be mad at you or anyone else over it.

I'm guessing you get that impression because I swore (admittedly a bad habit of mine) and that I used caps (which is merely to emphasize a key point I think you're ignoring).

All that being said, catching scum late game is fun and gets the blood going! Apologies if I came off abrasive

[Dunnstral]

dunn, as the de facto lynch, seems to be largely a non presence here, mostly just pushing out weak platitudes and omgus statements. could imply a "caught" scum

Are you willing to vote puppy today or not?

[Dunnstral]

so its either [hellbooks, puppy] or [dunn, vp], right? I think the first pair is more likely but i still also think we have to lynch dunn today

switch to puppy

[votato]

just as im starting to have some doubts about dunn he comes and reassures me that he really is the best lynch for today.

[Dunnstral]

If you think Puppy is more likely then you should be voting there

[votato]

If you think Puppy is more likely then you should be voting there

you want me to move my vote? make the case for why youre town or someone else is scum.

[VP Baltar]

in fact, when hellbooks asks me who will I consider if dunn flips town, I'm not even going to answer that.

Circling back to this. I think there is a very high probability that Dunn flips scum and this question is moot, which is why I didn't really answer it before. HOWEVER, I'm going to entertain the possibility you are town here for a moment and this is actually a genuine question. So assuming town!hellbrooks, if Dunn flips town, then I think I would need to challenge my assumptions to this point. Puppy would look less town probably, which is a tough pill for me to swallow because I've been reading puppy as town for quite some time now. Votato is votato and I think still potentially fits in a solve, though I'd want to do a deeper review. I'd also have to challenge my read that Mavs was being earnest in his (admittedly) unproveable claim. I still think r2r is town, even if Dunn flips green. Mostly, it'd be a complete re-evaluation of my reads to this point and making sure I'm not following any bad assumptions.

Largely, I do not think I am making bad assumptions, so that feels like a bridge I'd cross if I ever come to it.

Let me flip the question on you. Let's assume I'm town (I know, crazy), what is your solve of the game without VP scum?

[VP Baltar]

dunn, as the de facto lynch, seems to be largely a non presence here, mostly just pushing out weak platitudes and omgus statements. could imply a "caught" scum

Are you willing to vote puppy today or not?

What in the world is the case on puppy?