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VOTE COUNT 1.19

gobbledygook [4]:

Bingle [622], Datisi [651], Menalque [665], MariaR [668]

Something_Smart [2]

: Firebringer [705], skitter30 [814]

PenguinPower [1]

: lilith2013 [103]

Bingle [1]

: gobbledygook [552]

MariaR [1]:

PenguinPower [694]

skitter30 [1]

: Blake Belladonna [805]

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart, Pink Ball, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

[Blake Belladonna]

what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?

It means exactly what it says. I don't really care that gobble's wagon reached L-2 quickly, but I do care that a bunch of people immediately stepped in to defend him. I wasn't suggesting that any particular conclusion should be drawn from it.

I'm townleaning him.

ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

Because that rarely happens?

ok and the conclusion is ...

like why are you pointing it out if you think he's town anyways? isn't it a good thing that people are defendign him?

This take is a very bizarre one. The fact that this is still the crux of the engagement with Something_Smart is even more bizarre.

This entire engagement from the beginning is unnatural, and this specific point is where I believe it stems from.

As an aside, I don't think Something_Smart's point is bad or incongruent, and I would only call it as such if he specifically pointed it out as alignment indicative in some way. He did not. Because he appears to be approaching this in the way that I would suspect town Something_Smart in this position would, I believe he is the town in this exchange.

Regardless, this engagement makes no sense if both sides are scum, and I strongly doubt this engagement happens the way it does if both are town. And in this particular case, it makes a lot more sense if Skitter30 is the scum within this dichotomy.

[Blake Belladonna]

Menalque is town.
MariaR is town.
Firebringer is town.
Bingle is town.

Something_Smart and Datisi are the slots that I need more time on to be certain I lose all interest in lynching them today.

[Something_Smart]

how are you reading me rn ?

It seems like a weird angle for you to take that I'm scum for this superficial contradiction but you have better reasoning but you can't explain it. I don't recall you doing stuff like that in either of your recent scumgames, and I don't think you got this far in the weeds with anyone in City except for lilith when you were doing theater with her.

So leantown.

[Something_Smart]

I strongly doubt this engagement happens the way it does if both are town.

What makes you say this?

[skitter30]

ss i'm very confused by this entire interaction

[Blake Belladonna]

I strongly doubt this engagement happens the way it does if both are town.

What makes you say this?

The beginning of it was unnatural from both sides.

[Something_Smart]

What are you confused about?

[Something_Smart]

The beginning of it was unnatural from both sides.

So you would be scumreading us both but you don't think we make sense as partners?

[skitter30]

are you trying to get me to change my mind on you?

[skitter30]

Regardless, this engagement makes no sense if both sides are scum, and I strongly doubt this engagement happens the way it does if both are town. And in this particular case, it makes a lot more sense if Skitter30 is the scum within this dichotomy.

blake this doesn't feel like a natural interaction to me either

[Blake Belladonna]

The beginning of it was unnatural from both sides.

So you would be scumreading us both but you don't think we make sense as partners?

No.

All it means is that I don't believe that the engagement would happen if you both were town. The engagement extending like this for so long is what makes me think you both are not scumpartners.

[skitter30]

that's why i kinda stopped and asked what he's trying to do because the fact that this convo is still happening is weird and i don't know what he's trying to convince me of

[Blake Belladonna]

Interesting.

[skitter30]

Understand your thought process so I can try to show you where I disagree.

like i kinda felt like he was pushing me but this isn't something you're trying to accomplish with a scumlean but he says he's townreading me so i'm not sure why that conversation just happened unless he's trying to get me to unvote him?

[Something_Smart]

are you trying to get me to change my mind on you?

Yes.

[Something_Smart]

All it means is that I don't believe that the engagement would happen if you both were town.

Okay... I disagree. Do you have any reasoning or is it just gut feeling?

[Blake Belladonna]

99% of my thoughts are gut feelings, my dear.

[Something_Smart]

Fair enough.

[skitter30]

are you trying to get me to change my mind on you?

Yes.

i think the part that was confusing me is that it didn't feel like you were townreading me that strongly so i'm not sure why you were putting in so much effort to get me to change my mind

[Something_Smart]

Surely you don't think it's only worth it to get someone to townread you if you're already townreading them?

Your read on me seemed to be based on something that was very obviously inaccurate. I don't really care about the effort involved per se; it's just some typing, and it helps me engage better in the game anyway, something we both agree I was lacking. I didn't really care about your alignment, because it's not as if your scumread on me is less of a problem if you're scum. (It might be less solvable, but even then trying to solve it will still produce useful information, hopefully for other people besides just us.)

[Something_Smart]

On the one hand, we definitely are derailing the thread now. On the other hand, I still don't understand your reasoning, and I would still like to. It's your call whether you want to continue this conversation or drop it, or maybe come back to it later. I won't fault you for dropping it.

[Menalque]

It sounds like you're saying that my thoughts don't divide everyone neatly into a "town" or "scum" box, and that's bad.

S_S, think about what you’re saying here and tell me you seriously think skitt does this

[Something_Smart]

I don't. That's why I wanted her to explain more because that's what she appeared to be doing.

[gobbledygook]

ingle is town.

Why?