Micro 944: A Normal Blitz III - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 1.10

bugspray (2) -

farside22, popopopopopopo

humaneatingmonkey (2) -

Ame, gobbledygook

Ame (1) -

humaneatingmonkey

Porkens (1) -

bugspray

Not Voting (3) -

inutile, Porkens, HoldenGolden

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-06-09 01:45:00).

[gobbledygook]

A turkey trap.

[HoldenGolden]

Spoiler:

he is at L-2. my vote would put him to L-1, at which point it would not be unreasonable for him to claim and it is also possible he would be lynched. i am 'soft' on my scumread to the extent that my putting additional pressure on him in the form of my vote seems more a net negative than a net positive at this point in the game. why is my vote necessary? what purpose does it serve for you?

okay. this makes sense. although claims only happen at intent to hammer, not at L-1 automatically. I've seen countless of L-1s where a claim wasn't necessary because it's understood that a hammer is bad for both town and scum. But whatever. i haven't been paying attention in the VCs. i want a wagon to form and your vote is necessary. it serves me the purpose of putting a fire in HG's ass and seeing who among those who scumread HG means it. your absent of voting when you should have been the first one to vote give me a story that you don't have real reads.

? there were two votes on holdengolden while i was actively interacting with him to further my read. your approach here still feels off to me.

off as in scum? commit to your reads.

off as in scum? commit to your reads.

off as in a bad angle. like it doesn't make sense to me and could come from scum but it doesn't necessarily make sense for scum to be pushing me to vote like this either.

do you think HG is scum?

my read of holdengolden has not changed since the last time i gave it in anyway except for in its relation to you.

so if you think HG is scum, and I'm 'off' why isn't it still in your best interest to lynch scum?

so if you think HG is scum, and I'm 'off' why isn't it still in your best interest to lynch scum?

is your attempt to encourage me to put holdengolden to L-1 goalless and endless? simply a quest you must complete for experience? how about you unvote, and then i will place my vote, and then if you replace your vote before i would do so we lynch you instead?

if i unvote, and you vote HG, I will vote Exemplar, and HG will be in quasi-L-1 while putting pressure on Exemplar as well. This sounds like a good deal.

UNVOTE:

you say i will orchestrate a hammer, but that involves someone else putting HG at L-1 and you think nothing of that person?

why are your stances standing out to me as somewhat fake?

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Pedit: only as in I've only rolled up against scum!hem. I've read town games by him, but i recall and am more knowledgeable about his scum game. Likewise, he has only ever gone up against town!hg.

Disregarding the content issues I have with HEM posts, I find the interaction aligning with what I've seen in his scum game. The interaction feels reminiscent of his approach to Hiraki from blitz II, where they got into a long circular arguement where they kept scum reading each other. There HEM would agree, then turn around and keep pushing despite what was going on. That is also what I'm using as a reference here. It's not perfect by any means contextually, but blah

One point of interest is at the very beginning of the spoiler where HEM agrees that Intuiles logic makes sense in 228, but come 235 repressures Intuile for not committing. This sticks out as it hints that HEM motivation for the questioning is more to point out the scumminess in intuile rather then his expressed reasoning in 228. I could buy the possibility that this is genuine as the follow up where he divert focus back to my wagon. The town games of his I have read matches this behavior of poking into someone while attempting to push whatever agenda town!HEM believes in.

What I dont like, and the reason why i think the interaction points to scum!hem, is post quasi-L1 plan. I feel HEM'a return to shading/investigating into inutile the way he did post the agreement weakens the notion of the agenda he pushed in 227. Its using HEM own supposed agenda to fuel the suspension rather than a natural progression after achieving at least part of his plan. I feel town!hem would of not made 246 which serves more to crunch up his new pressure on intuile while throwing shade at the slot. This was what he did during the Hiraki interaction in my eyes.

Tldr: I think there are moments where you can see town!hem, but his supposed agenda doesnt seem to match up to what he actually pushed or did which I find more indicative of how scum!hem operates.

[inutile]

What sort of trap?

there was all of this talk of does/doesn't it work which eventually resulted in gobbledygook saying to target him. now it feels like you're backing out because you're worried something could go wrong. like there's possibly a way in which it could disprove your claim.

[Ame]

A turkey trap.

groovy

gravy babe-e

[HoldenGolden]

I can I just say how hard it is to type on mobile, boil tea, finalize plans, and look devilishly sexy all at the same time?

I'm lying about one of those

[Ame]

What sort of trap?

there was all of this talk of does/doesn't it work which eventually resulted in gobbledygook saying to target him. now it feels like you're backing out because you're worried something could go wrong. like there's possibly a way in which it could disprove your claim.

I don't understand. What scenario would it disprove my claim?

[inutile]

I don't understand. What scenario would it disprove my claim?

if you don't know what to report based on what the mod told gobbledygook, for instance.

[Ame]

I can I just say how hard it is to type on mobile, boil tea, finalize plans, and look devilishly sexy all at the same time?

I'm lying about one of those

it can't be the last one it's impossible, and you're a coffee drinker so the tea is a lie

[HoldenGolden]

After thinking it over, I actually doubt Gobbles is town here. His play is too scummy. Gobbles, you should 100% target Pork tonight. I'll track elsewhere.

Hmm. Wheels are turning.

(Also I'll read those bugs games tomorrow)

Pedit: I see it as your tracking check vaildies that Gobber is actually a hider and didnt fake claim as scum. So if you think he is scum, do you also think he is legit 1 shot weak hider?

[HoldenGolden]

I can I just say how hard it is to type on mobile, boil tea, finalize plans, and look devilishly sexy all at the same time?

I'm lying about one of those

it can't be the last one it's impossible, and

you're a coffee drinker

so the tea is a lie

I vomited a bit

[Ame]

I don't understand. What scenario would it disprove my claim?

if you don't know what to report based on what the mod told gobbledygook, for instance.

Ohh, that would be interesting. Wouldn't he be dead in that scenario, though? So it wouldn't matter.

[HoldenGolden]

Legit acum 1 shot hider*

I guess he could be a role that visits too

[Ame]

After thinking it over, I actually doubt Gobbles is town here. His play is too scummy. Gobbles, you should 100% target Pork tonight. I'll track elsewhere.

Hmm. Wheels are turning.

(Also I'll read those bugs games tomorrow)

Pedit: I see it as your tracking check vaildies that Gobber is actually a hider and didnt fake claim as scum. So if you think he is scum, do you also think he is legit 1 shot weak hider?

I think him not deviating from targeting Pork will confirm it one way or the other. If he targets Pork and they both live, he is probably scum. The scenario that Pork and Gobbles are the scum team doesn't exist. So the only other scenario where we get the wrong idea is if they are both town and scum decided not to kill Pork, in which case it doesn't matter because they trade an extra mislynch.

[Ame]

I can I just say how hard it is to type on mobile, boil tea, finalize plans, and look devilishly sexy all at the same time?

I'm lying about one of those

it can't be the last one it's impossible, and

you're a coffee drinker

so the tea is a lie

I vomited a bit

I praise thy to remember the holy testament of at least its not insta-made microwave coffee *shudders from childhood trauma*

Oops

[gobbledygook]

I had such a cool crumb that I wanted to use, bu I’ll save it for next time I guess.

[gobbledygook]

I am totally sheeping other people on HEM. After reading his iso I’m more null than anything but I am townreading Ame and HG to an extent.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I have [HoldenGolden, farside22, inutile, GG, Ame] on my tail. If I have to guess who's scum, it's going to be HoldenGolden and inutile. Ame, depending on how day 2 pans out. I might be wrong on that. good thing this is farside's job.

I think Porkens if scum would have found a way to divert attention to me instead of focusing his posts on GG's intent to hide behind him.

If Porkens + gobbledygook and Ame can't be both alive tomorrow. So we either have a a.) dead tracker and confirmed TvT or SvS or b.) tracker with a real or fake guilty and confirmed scum. or c.) dead tracker and confirmed scum.

[HoldenGolden]

I can't read this slot because I'm too biased that it's scum. I defer to farside for this one.

Do you have more behind my scum read now, or is it still just instinct?

[humaneatingmonkey]

you said something similar to me earlier. why is it scummy for us to not be 100% sure whether or not something is scummy? by extension, is popopopopopopo towny for the confidence with which he declared exemplar scum?

on farside — it either pings you or it doesn't. implying something is scummy is something i use as scum because i make people go to the conclusion themselves instead of feeding it. town doesn't have the motivation to do this.

po x7 is towny for the confidence, yes.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you have more behind my scum read now, or is it still just instinct?

mostly instinct.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i also think that you've been using my meta maliciously against me

[HoldenGolden]

i also think that you've been using my meta maliciously against me

How so? Be specific.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mostly because you're saying how you paint a picture of scum-HEM based on past behavior whereas I'm town, and I've done some of the things you've said as town.

I told you to read Nightless and Winter Wonderland. Did you read them?

[HoldenGolden]

Mostly because you're saying how you paint a picture of scum-HEM based on past behavior whereas I'm town,

and I've done some of the things you've said as town.

I told you to read Nightless and Winter Wonderland. Did you read them?

So my read on you should depend on me knowing you are town, and thus I am scummy because of using meta? What? Your logic makes no sense. I asked how is malicious, not how is it supposedly wrong.

Like "painting a picture of scum!me based on past games" is literally the point of meta.

What do you hope to achieve when you say stuff like that to people? You did it to ame where you say they are wrong and that you are town, without really trying to disprove them.
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I did. It's why I'm not pushing the death tunnel point anymore