Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Something_Smart]

gobble claimed he was crumbing his role, skitter said she stayed off wagon because of said wagon, and now gobble claimed he's the serial killer. So gobble lied. So skitter lied.

That doesn't mean that gobble wasn't crumbing A role.

[Datisi]

I think you’ve actually not explained that many

Like: pb/Lilith/Blake/bingle and even there I don’t think you’ve explained that much, plus not having much on S_S/chem/fb

But there’s still like skitt/PP/maria who I don’t think you’ve given a read on. Could you do me a readslist for ease of reference?

I think gamestate refers to what you feel is happening in the game, yeah. So like, a gamestate feels resisty so scum are either defending their partner or they’re trying to be in the right side of a townflip for example

uhhhhhhhhhhh

asspull readslist incoming

{bingle, mena}
{maria, blake}
{PB, lilith, FB}
{S_S, skitter} - ???? n ? u ? l ? l ????
{chemist, PP}
{gobble}

like sorry i don't write 5 paragraphs explaining each of my reads because that's just not how i work

S_S/FB i have no clue how to read, FB i'm half-sheeping other people who seem to know better, and S_S is just gonna keep sitting in my nulls for a little longer because we're not lynching him today anyway so it's not a priority for me

chemist is lit just Not Here

i've given townpoints to maria before and i'm giving it again bc i think i just vibe with how she went about the gobble wagon

i think i've already said that PP feels kinda off from furret 2 but i'm still pending replies on people's thoughts on your scumread's reaction

and skitt is just??? i don't get the convo with S_S and now that i'm TRing you i'm prob just gonna take the same approach as in 1992 and sheep you on her
but same thing as S_S not lynch today so not priority

also i'm just gonna keep pretending i feel no paranoia wrt your slot ok thx bye

[Pink Ball]

@skitter I don't buy your explanation. Thinking that gobble is crumbing because he used the word doctor in a post is looking down on gobble as a player and I don't think you would do that. Also, I already explained why it would be convenient for you to say out loud that you saw the crumb

[Pink Ball]

gobble claimed he was crumbing his role, skitter said she stayed off wagon because of said wagon, and now gobble claimed he's the serial killer. So gobble lied. So skitter lied.

That doesn't mean that gobble wasn't crumbing A role.

Yeah that's why I'm having second thoughts, but I don't see the crumb

[Something_Smart]

SS, why the townlean on me? I feel like I’m playing significantly worse here than in zoey’s.

Admittedly I have been burned by this kind of logic but your play seems a lot less focused than in either of your scumgames and I think you'd be trying to get more done.

I didn't townread you in Zoey's, actually, because I thought it wouldn't have been too difficult for you to play the way you did as scum.

[skitter30]

@skitter I don't buy your explanation. Thinking that gobble is crumbing because he used the word doctor in a post is looking down on gobble as a player and I don't think you would do that. Also, I already explained why it would be convenient for you to say out loud that you saw the crumb

ok?
i mean that's what happened, and you can see quite clearly that it affected my immediate actions
it was a very odd use of the word doctor (like did you look at the context ...) so i thought he was softing

like do you think i'm lying about seeing it or ...

[Something_Smart]

Wait no, no oops, I love ponk ball

I agree. The best kind of genius is accidental genius.

[Something_Smart]

“Iiii” -> i read as a tracker crumb

what

[skitter30]

I am shocked they are not town reads!! Do you think we need to call their doctors?

like this looks like a natural usage of the word doctor to you?
it's really weird both in and out of context

[Datisi]

I am shocked they are not town reads!! Do you think we need to call their doctors?

like this looks like a natural usage of the word doctor to you?
it's really weird both in and out of context

ftr i saw that too but i kinda thought it was just scum!gobble being awkward in his posting lel

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: gobble

Why?

VOTE: gobble

Qu'est-ce que c'est!? Pourquoi?

people have a read on gobbles here. I am shocked.

I am shocked they are not town reads!! Do you think we need to call their doctors?

L-2

Monsieur.... oh mon dieu.

guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it

OH.

Now I'm embarrassed I didn't see that one myself.

[skitter30]

yeah i thought it was weird cuz it was a soft
(and i thought he was acting up being weird to avoid being an nk)

pedit .... did nobody else see that post

[Menalque]

i'm saying that i'm wary listening to you handwaving away two of the setups out of consideration just yet

Okay, this is fair

@mena about the setup, we first flip gobble, then we discuss it. Scum has more info about the setup so they could know that SK is a safe claim. I mean no one's going to counter, but they could be caught in the future if the allegedly real SK flips

But, they couldn’t though? Look at the setups, each sk setup has an equivalent non-SK setup so they’d have no way of knowing yet (without flips) which one they’re in. I remember the struggle of trying to guess if we had an SK or not in c9++

[gobbledygook]

For the record, Lilith found one of my crumbs. Asking if people needed doctors was not a crumb (at least intentionally). It was more a comment that people needed their heads checked for scumreading me.

[Something_Smart]

+1, we still lynch gobbles today

I respect him trying to make a deal, but fundamentally he doesn’t have a town wincon and right now he’s in the weakest negotiating position.

He's in the weakest negotiating position... which means he's not a threat, right?

Since we can unilaterally make him lose, he has to do what we say; even though he says he won't be leashed, if a majority agrees to leash him, he'll have to follow or be lynched. That said, straight-up leashing is a bad idea because bus driver, but it seems perfectly fine to tell him to kill someone scummy and if he doesn't (or if you want to be harsh, if he doesn't hit scum) then we lynch him.

[Datisi]

ftr i saw that too but i kinda thought it was just scum!gobble being awkward in his posting lel

For the record, Lilith found one of my crumbs. Asking if people needed doctors was not a crumb (at least intentionally). It was more a comment that people needed their heads checked for scumreading me.

oh hey i was right

[gobbledygook]

Since we can unilaterally make him lose, he has to do what we say; even though he says he won't be leashed, if a majority agrees to leash him, he'll have to follow or be lynched.

As I said earlier, I will not be leashed but i will only kill people I am scumreading.

[skitter30]

also just pointing out that people don't inherently get townpoints for pushing the sk wagon since scum don't know gobble's scum either

pedit i'd want to give him like a 3 person pool he'd need to kill in

pedit if you won't be leashed we can just lynch you so like this is probably not the best position for you to be taking as an outed sk

[Datisi]

^^ he's going to kill me because he doesn't know how to read me so can we please lynch the literal claimed scum thank you

[gobbledygook]

I think Bingle saw my other crumbs but still remained on my wagon after even quoting them so I’m suss of him.

[Something_Smart]

Also — yes, we should still lynch gobbles, but you should change your vote temporarily to where you think groupscum is to make it easier to track where people thought scum was on D1 in retrospect when people look back at ofhrz’s ISO and the VCs

Or people could just read the game instead of using VC's as a crutch?

[skitter30]

I think Bingle saw my other crumbs but still remained on my wagon after even quoting them so I’m suss of him.

what were the other crumbs

[Menalque]

+1, we still lynch gobbles today

I respect him trying to make a deal, but fundamentally he doesn’t have a town wincon and right now he’s in the weakest negotiating position.

He's in the weakest negotiating position... which means he's not a threat, right?

Since we can unilaterally make him lose, he has to do what we say; even though he says he won't be leashed, if a majority agrees to leash him, he'll have to follow or be lynched. That said, straight-up leashing is a bad idea because bus driver, but it seems perfectly fine to tell him to kill someone scummy and if he doesn't (or if you want to be harsh, if he doesn't hit scum) then we lynch him.

No, then we’re weaker because we’re getting further away from outnumbering the scum and he gets to coast another day because people want to try and flip their scumreads. The safest long term play is to get rid of him today, especially considering that a bus driver may be out there.

“Weakest” was the wrong phrase. “Weak” should be right. He’d be “weakest” if we had 2 scum flips and no townies had died due to docs or jks, but that’s unlikely to happen.

[gobbledygook]

^^ he's going to kill me because he doesn't know how to read me so can we please lynch the literal claimed scum thank you

You actually wouldn’t be my first kill. You’d be like my second or third one if I got to live that long.

[Datisi]

ok scum