Micro 944: A Normal Blitz III - Game Over

[gobbledygook]

Who is bugsprays partner gobs?

Idk. Was probably going to try to figure that out tonight but inutile is game throwing so I guess you’ll have to figure that out on your own

[gobbledygook]

I think inutile is town, but stubbornly wrong
Ame I keep going back and forth on, but she should die tonight if town and I’m lynched so you probably don’t have to sort her
Pox7, Porkens, Farside is where I would personally look

[Micc]

Votecount 2.03

gobbledygook (2) -

popopopopopopo, inutile

bugspray (1) -

gobbledygook

Not Voting (4) -

Ame, bugspray, farside22, Porkens

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-06-12 13:45:00).

[Ame]

I don't think gobbles is scum actually. I think Pork and Gobbles are town.

[Ame]

like i said i have been scumreading pretty much everyone to some extent so this list is mostly an attempt to weigh those scumreads against eachother. when i am kinda manic and excited to play i become don quixote tilting at windmills.

This is strange considering you believed this was a scum strategy of mine in Reservoir Dogs:

it is strange to me that you have five scumreads and three townreads right now. especially since two of those townreads seem loosely based. it feels like you were stretching here to include everyone.

ame - the possible mafia reasons for the initial reads you presented feel stronger to me than the town reasons.

Could you elaborate on each?

[gobbledygook]

I want to say if Ame is town, it’s Farside/pox7

[Ame]

I want to say if Ame is town, it’s Farside/pox7

What happened to bugs?

[gobbledygook]

I want to say if Ame is town, it’s Farside/pox7

What happened to bugs?

Was still answering Porkens question on who is bugs partner. Sorry I didn’t clarify that

[Ame]

Got it.

[inutile]

This is strange considering you believed this was a scum strategy of mine in Reservoir Dogs:

that was on page 3 vs page 30 here. my point in reservoir dogs was that you had reads on all of the players at that time, which i think you know as i repeated it multiple times in that game.

Could you elaborate on each?

the mafia reasons would be to have believable reads that would also potentially make me think you were town because they were similar to mine, as well as the implication that you thought i was town because you used some of my reasoning for your reads and that could also potentially be used to make me think you were town. the town reasons would be because you agreed with all of them.

[Ame]

Can you show all of my reads/reasoning that overlapped with yours?

[inutile]

Can you show all of my reads/reasoning that overlapped with yours?

Town
Shiki
Farsi
Bugs: meta
Gobbles: claim, play is scummy

Scummy

holden:

wanting replacement to catchup then putting them at l-1,

posting after shiki indicative of active lurking,

doesn't seem to be really trying to figure things out. there was something else but i forgot i need to look back

po: pushing over sorting, fake concern about activity while not trying to push the game forward

Scum

hem: like this is pretty obvious? his prodding on why shiki wasn't voting holden was so fake.

wont explain his push on holden. didn't want porkers lynched for some reason. likely scumbuddies with pp based on his interaction, said something like "buddy me" which was completely random and exactly the way scum!Hem interacted with his scum partner shiki in the last game and his scum partner bugs in the game before.

Vote: HEM

felt like your scumreads came from my iso and you didn't give similar detail for your townreads.

[Ame]

I mean can you show me where you made this points in your iso? The only points that overlapped was pos fake activity concern I believe. The point on Holden you missed. Your reasoning was that he was trying to associate himself with you. I think that was silly. I did think it was indicative of active lurking however.

[Ame]

those*

[popopopopopopo]

i think by associatives it cant be gob/ame that would be real weird

[popopopopopopo]

with their claims

[inutile]

I mean can you show me where you made this points in your iso? The only points that overlapped was pos fake activity concern I believe. The point on Holden you missed. Your reasoning was that he was trying to associate himself with you. I think that was silly. I did think it was indicative of active lurking however.

i think they are at least related points about holdengolden posts immediately following mine, both used to form scumreads. not that it matters now, but i'm not sure your reasoning makes sense in that his posts weren't all direct replies to mine, they simply came immediately following mine. since you agree that the popopopopopopo point completely overlaps, the only evidence from my iso you are asking for is with regards to monkey. here are two posts demonstrating that i thought monkey's desire for me to vote holden was 'fake':

is your attempt to encourage me to put holdengolden to L-1 goalless and endless? simply a quest you must complete for experience?

off as in a bad angle. like it doesn't make sense to me and could come from scum but it doesn't necessarily make sense for scum to be pushing me to vote like this either.

[Ame]

Fair enough, so 2 of the 9 points I brought up overlapped with yours (po’s activity concern and monkey fake push). I hardly call that pulling from your iso wouldn’t you.

Additionally, why did you ask people to look into th point you made about Holden? Did you not think it warranted suspicion? If you did, why would it be peculiar for me to agree with you? It was a strange pattern. It’s odd that you specifically asked for people to consider it, yet think it’s suspicious that I did.

[farside22]

I'm curious about inu as well. He was calling HG/HEM scum play and hasn't said anything else.

you've now repeated this but i do not understand what it is based on. you say i have no stances but i felt through much of yesterday like i had an excess of scumreads. do you think i asked what happened to your porkens read (a question you conveniently never replied to) because i had no opinion of your weird progression on the slot and the scumread you apparently forgot about? do you think i asked porkens his read of you at random or because in addition to your weird progression on his slot he simply stated a strong townread of you without ever having given real explanation for it despite making a rather elaborate reads posts? do you think there was no reason i was questioning the town benefit of gobbles claim? or do you think, perhaps, that i thought it was somewhat unlikely there'd be a net negative utility town role in a nine person game? do you think i have no opinion of ame's scumreads being seemingly based in my opinions while no real reasoning was given for her townreads?

I talked about my pork read here a bit:

Porkens his content is not too good but the obliviousnes in parts strikes me as a little town. Idk, porkens is a cypher.

Ive gone back and forth on my read of porkens. Didn't like the l-1 vote without reasons. Otoh he reads a bit goofy/trollish. He wasn't trollish in the game i modded with him but its hard to see why he's doing it.

HG rolled scum this game guys. Trust me.

Still not seeing it. I don't really see you figuring him out either.

Since then I didn't see anything scummy about pork. I see someone looking at the game as a whole and pushing his thoughts out there.

Gobbles, why did you town read me yesterday?

I townread Exemplar for his play prior to ragequitting. I also thought the ragequit was more likely to come from town than scum. When you defended bugspray, I thought there was a possibility my read on bugspray was wrong. However, after that hammer and the fake mea culpa afterward I think that I was right. I now scumread you because you have been a strident defender of bugspray who I think is scum.

The confidence is 70%. I still think there is a possibility that you are town and I do not want to lynch you today.
farside not gunning for my throat when I said I could not confirm someone is suspicious. She wants to kill me on a good day and this is most definitely a Bad Day, so her not wanting to kill me is odd.

Funny enough I would have been more suspicious had you said you visited someone and said it was bug. But at the end of the day the right move is not to visit anyone.

I'm still catching up but I'm in the middle of a few things today.

[inutile]

Fair enough, so 2 of the 9 points I brought up overlapped with yours (po’s activity concern and monkey fake push). I hardly call that pulling from your iso wouldn’t you.

Additionally, why did you ask people to look into th point you made about Holden? Did you not think it warranted suspicion? If you did, why would it be peculiar for me to agree with you? It was a strange pattern. It’s odd that you specifically asked for people to consider it, yet think it’s suspicious that I did.

to me at the time, and still now upon reviewing it with you though not as much, it feels like it was the basis for all three of your scumreads. like it feels noteworthy that those were the three players i was pushing at that time and they were your scumreads as well and you didn't feel the need to elaborate on your other reads.

i asked people to look into the point i made about holden because it is very hard for me to determine whether things like that are coincidences or not (bugspray and i have previously discussed this in mystery box. they helped me immensely by giving me a way to classify these thoughts; 'brain worms'). i didn't think it was suspicious of you to consider it on its own, it was the cumulation of the list.

[Ame]

to me at the time, and still now upon reviewing it with you though not as much, it feels like it was the basis for all three of your scumreads. like it feels noteworthy that those were the three players i was pushing at that time and they were your scumreads as well and you didn't feel the need to elaborate on your other reads.

What was the basis of the impression that they were the foundation of my scum reads? I listed them in the order of degree:

Spoiler:

holden
1 putting me at l-1
2 posting after shiki indicative of active lurking
3 doesn't seem to be really trying to figure things out

po
1 pushing over sorting
2

fake concern about activity while not trying to push the game forward

hem
1

prodding on why shiki wasn't voting holden was so fake.

2 wont explain his push on holden.
3 didn't want porkers lynched for some reason.
4 likely scumbuddies with pp based on his interaction

So 1 of the three had the same foundation as yours, and even then I had other reasons that you had not expressed which indicates that my thoughts were organic. Do you not think the points of overlap were reasonable enough for us to come to the same conclusion? Or is it that you simply don't trust your own interpretation of things enough that you think it odd for another to think the same way?

[Ame]

Funny enough I would have been more suspicious had you said you visited someone and said it was bug. But at the end of the day the right move is not to visit anyone.

Why was it the right move given 764?

[Ame]

popopopopopopo - making a show out of wanting content instead of trying to get that content from players still feels mafia indicative to me. refusing to discuss that further also felt scummy to me.

(1)

confidently declaring exemplar 100% scum probably a playstyle thing.
porkens - associatives with farside +

(2)

the readslist being presented as a 'hey look i'm not scummy anymore' type of thing. like before that he was understanding of people scumreading him and then he made a big show out of

1

Why did you post this line?

2

The example Porkens provided of making a mega post like that in another game doesn't nullify this point?
3 The points on Porkens is speculative whereas the point pox7 are factual. Why do you find Porkens to be more likely scum than pox7?

[inutile]

What was the basis of the impression that they were the foundation of my scum reads?

your three scumreads were the three players i was pushing and your reasoning for each was connected to me, so it felt like you started from that and built upon them.

Do you not think the points of overlap were reasonable enough for us to come to the same conclusion?

this is a possibility, as i indicated here:

it could either be due to plagiarizing or agreeing with or simply coming to a similar conclusion.

Or is it that you simply don't trust your own interpretation of things enough that you think it odd for another to think the same way?

i think you've played with me enough to know that this is something i struggle with, which is possibly why you asked. part of why i think it is mafia indicative is that the agreeing with part of 581 seems unlikely to me because you know how many times i've been wrong. like it doesn't really make sense for town!you to come into the game and think 'inni's reads are good' even if you think i am town. if you believe in me being right more than i believe in me being right something is probably wrong.

1 Why did you post this line?

i was unsure of this earlier when i was discussing it with monkey. upon further research i came to the conclusion that it was probably a playstyle thing.

2 The example Porkens provided of making a mega post like that in another game doesn't nullify this point?

the reason i went searching for a similar post from porkens and eventually asked for one to be provided was because he began the post with something along the lines of 'i haven't made a post like this in awhile'. like he knew he had used this tactic as town before. the differences between the posts lessened that concern of mine slightly, though it didn't erase my concern with the post itself, which was that it felt like the intention was at least as much to appear more towny as to solve the game.

3 The points on Porkens is speculative whereas the point pox7 are factual. Why do you find Porkens to be more likely scum than pox7?

the points against popopopopopopo feel weaker to me. i guess i don't understand what you mean by speculative vs factual, but the way i weigh them against eachother is that porkens readslist post felt like it was a more deliberate effort to give off a certain impression. i relate to the impetus behind popopopopopopo's desire for content posts but it seemed an illogical possibly mafia indicative way of going about it. the impetus behind porkens post was more of the issue to me.

[bugspray]

fuck sorry i'm gonna reread some shit and then figure out what the fuck is going on with gobbles