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[farside22]

@farside, why do you think I'm scum again?

Not repeating myself. Go read my iso and the quiz pt.
Nothing has changed my views about you, especially as you still did the same thing today you did in the pt.

[springlullaby]

Such as?

[Raya36]

actually she seems townie now...
I'm still semi-confident that scum is in this pool of six(five)
{Titus, raya, farside, dunn, ND}. I don't really think Pink Ball is likely to be scum anymore because of the reaction test. I disagree with farside that it felt fake. Also, his feelings about being pressured to solve seem legit.

I seem townie now or is that referring to someone else?

Midway, I don't think you responded to this

[Raya36]

2439 is valid, I think 2420 is a misleading question; Titus is asking if all town pass the quiz through the process by pming, not if all town can pass the quiz by pming

Ok that makes more sense. Misinterpretation

[Raya36]

My theory, shall it be accepted, is that spring is scum. ABR was loud, vocal, and wrong. Scum wanted him alive and had Spring do it because they feared that ABR would be left out due to toxicity, thus losing a townbeard.

Let's see who ABR suspected.

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

This is a team I will approve.

I don't care if I have to deny 3 times, if you put forward a dealbreaker team then it's no deal and no quiz tonight.

There should be at least one scum in here, if my theory holds. My eyes jump to Dunn and SirCakez.

I don't like these posts. This doesn't feel like real analysis.

Can you elaborate on this please? I'm honestly liking Titus for town now

[Raya36]

Spoiler: Raya

If you think unwnd is poor scum, then shouldn't you have been happy cuz you caught scum. I agree that

the outburst was pretty weird

.

This is just me agreeing with Cakez that TSE was overreacting. I don't really see how it reads like hedging.

I think beeboy and Starbuck could both be town

. The disagreement just may be in the way they play the game and not because one's actions were scum motivated.

What did you want me to say? Yeah it was a "weak" read, but it was also less than 200 posts into the game.

I'm a bit wary of TSE and unwnd, but I'm not confident in anything yet.

I legit said "I'm not confident in anything yet". You can't force reads out of someone. When I first read the argument, and I felt that TSE was overreacting, but perhaps there was something that unwnd did that made him so frustrated. Now when I reread it, it's funny

I log on and I see there are 8 new posts, but they are all from you.
pedit:

I can sorta see it being town motivated idk

. Does seem a bit over the top though, but that's like you this game

TSE had just quoted something from a scum player in one of his previous games. I actually thought the quote could potentially come from town which shows the disconnect between TSE and the rest of the game. This was more of an on the spot reaction, and the wishy washyness was probably because I knew it came from scum but I thought it could also come from town.

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts

I'm guessing this is what you wanted in bold. I had the chain at that moment. I originally wanted to pass it to Starbuck, but after rereading I found that both starbuck/farside and unwnd/TSE gave me doubts because I wasn't sure if theirr arguments were TvT.

i guess unwnd can change beeboy's quiz once, but that doesn't seem that useful.
I prefer keeping cakez

TSE is probably scum now

I said this because it was pretty clear unwnd and cakez both were town. I originally thought unwnd/TSE was w/v which is why I said TSE was probably scum. I don't think so anymore because this seems to be meta.

I wanted to say that ABR is the scummiest player, but his anger feels genuine

and I agree that we definitely did not use the mechanics in our favor yesterday. I agree with ND that we should decide the quiz team

after not

before passing the chain. ABR is still on my radar of suspicion though.

Yeah, I see where this comes across as non-committal because I say that he is scummy, but that his anger felt genuine. I mean that was just my thought about him, and I ultimately still SR him. I don't see how the second bolded part is relevant.

argh, I can see both sides here.

I feel like scum gambited, but then again unwnd was an obvious nk choice...

Not sure what you wanted to see here. I still don't know whether scum gambited with a no kill or that they just were off-team. I'm leaning towards gambit just because I still don't really like Dunn/you/farside.

I don't really have a read on you.

ABR was at best an anti town distraction and at worst, scum

. You haven't really made me reconsider.

I said ABR was super anti-town, and I honestly couldn't really read it. He was almost to the point of openwolving, and I don't think scum are that obvious.

Besides having a problem with these statements being non-committal (which I still think most are), my next problem is if you were town you should be taking a stance whether you're confident or not. If you're town you want to put pressure on people to get a read on them. Saying such non-committal statements won't get that reaction and therefore won't gain you as much info.

[Raya36]

unwnd (5)- unwnd >beeboy>Raya36>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(7)- Titus, Dunnstral Pink Ball, , NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear,

OK. SO now that the quiz has been denied we can have three options.

1) A quiz team of 4 from the chainless
2) A quiz team of 2 who are chained, and 2 who are not.
3) Run back 2 of the same people from the last quiz, along with 2 new ones.

Me personally, I don't want to run back the same people if that's not evident. This makes Dunn and Spring not eligible for the first option. For option 1, I assume most people would agree with Me, Beeboy, xx, xx. For the second option, those eligible would be Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear and Titus. The problem with the second option is that two of those players were already denied, so I doubt that anyone would agree to option number 2. Option 3 is feasible, but I will only agree to the terms based on consensus.

I'm ok with 2 or 3. 1 isn't a good idea. Those who are chainless are chainless for a reason. I do not want NDMath, Midway or Spring in the team. I'd prefer no TSE but I would still accept.

[Raya36]

Just ask who approves of: you+beeboy+x+y

Then select 2 people you think are the likeliest town.
Making town fail past the second team on the ground that no consensus can be reached on the members is scum motivated.

Because the quiz auto fail, and a power up goes to scum.

I do not approve of Beeboy. I forgot to add him to my list of no.

[Raya36]

The problem with running me+beeboy is that I cannot guarantee the other two people will simply pass, and then beeboy is never allowed to be on the quiz again. Beeboy is a slot scum

wants

to keep around. This is my problem just going with me+Beeboy because then you have a giant hole and scum has more room to sneak in when it's going to count more. This is the time to be risky and be willing to make a mistake.

I'm scared that if we happen to have an all town team then scum could roleblock you and then Beeboy fails the quiz. I think it was Beeboy who mentioned this? The joat could be a roleblocker

[Raya36]

I just realized 2 and 3 sort of intertwine, given that 2 of the chained were on the last quiz and 2 of them were not. The only people who aren't chained right now are Dunn/Spring (from last quiz).

Would still like thoughts.

To summarize (I can find any relevant long posts)

*long post on how easy it is to turn 1 successful group to a game with only successes by picking the same people over and over*
*long post on how a 1 shot tamper makes that fair for scum, 2 tampers is too strong*
*long post on how you being shot despite being BP could imply the above was used*

By using the same people we know scum can''t have 2 tampers so 2 fails = scum in the group.
Or scum is forced to hit pass for us and we win the power role, either outcome is $$$$$

I'm stupid and spell a quiz team out for me with this in mind. I don't really want Dunn or Spring, I think I would like to see them down the chain more.

Unwnd, Farside, Starbuck, Raya.
Assuming your town and we ignore Dunn and Spring this is the only group that fits my strat within your requirements.

I honestly think this is a team that passes the quest.

[Raya36]

Replace farside with pink ball

No. Maybe starbuck but not Farside

[Raya36]

Approve Quiz Team

[midwaybear]

I seem townie now or is that referring to someone else?

yes, you

[Raya36]

replace farside with ND then
im town, so are Raya and ND. unwnd is conf town

So I'm town...

But I chose Unwnd since I think he's town and we would gain a lot more info from him than we would giving it to Beeboy who was the alternative option.

What do you mean by this? Was his reaction EOD not enough to convince you he’s town?

Anyways, Raya is making me reconsider, so the only person I’m comfortable “recycling” would be farside. Remaining 3 can be me, unwnd, ND.

Then I'm possibly scum...

ok, I see why those might ping your scum radar. That is a problem for me.
I think Raya is scum, so I'll try to pull up some quotes. Also, isn't it also good to find townreads too? I gave some earlier and we can talk about that.

Then I am scum...

actually she seems townie now...
I'm still semi-confident that scum is in this pool of six(five)
{Titus, raya, farside, dunn, ND}. I don't really think Pink Ball is likely to be scum anymore because of the reaction test. I disagree with farside that it felt fake. Also, his feelings about being pressured to solve seem legit.

Then when you go to make a case on me you can't and say I'm town.


Can you explain the progression here because from my POV this is what I can assume

[Titus]

Approve is at L minus 2 by the way. If we count on Starbuck, that's one more approval needed.

[Raya36]

I'm very confident this team passes. And if it doesn't I trust our PoE to figure out who scum is between the 4 of us

[springlullaby]

Just ask who approves of: you+beeboy+x+y

Then select 2 people you think are the likeliest town.
Making town fail past the second team on the ground that no consensus can be reached on the members is scum motivated.

Because the quiz auto fail, and a power up goes to scum.

I do not approve of Beeboy. I forgot to add him to my list of no.

Why do you not approve of beeboy?

@unwnd, this is your only chance of being chain leader though, and pretty much your only guaranteed chance of having beeboy+unwnd on the team. So why don't you want beeboy on that team? If you are town and believe beeboy is town, it reduces PoE chances to 1/2 which is the best chance you'll ever get, and beats town natural chances.

Why am I the only one seeing this?

[springlullaby]

I'm very confident this team passes. And if it doesn't I trust our PoE to figure out who scum is between the 4 of us

1/4 is worse than 1/2 ???

[springlullaby]

@raya, you think beeboy is town and unwnd is town, so why are you against beeboy+unwnd+x+y?

[Raya36]

The problem with running me+beeboy is that I cannot guarantee the other two people will simply pass, and then beeboy is never allowed to be on the quiz again. Beeboy is a slot scum

wants

to keep around. This is my problem just going with me+Beeboy because then you have a giant hole and scum has more room to sneak in when it's going to count more. This is the time to be risky and be willing to make a mistake.

I'm scared that if we happen to have an all town team then scum could roleblock you and then Beeboy fails the quiz. I think it was Beeboy who mentioned this? The joat could be a roleblocker

This is why

[Raya36]

Beeboy and Unwnd being on a failed quiz together gives us no info because it could mean one of:

1. Scum was on the team and failed it
2. The team was all town and the joat was a roleblocker and Unwnd was roleblocked

[springlullaby]

@raya, you think beeboy is town and unwnd is town, so why are you against beeboy+unwnd+x+y?

Ok acceptable.

[Raya36]

Having beeboy+Unwnd just adds another variable which means we actually can't say for sure that scum was on the team. I get that 1/2 is better than 1/4 but we just can't use the 1/2 if we don't know that scum was on the team for sure. Also if you look at it from my perspective it's still 1/2 for me. I know I'm town and I'm confident unwnd is town. My PoE would just be farside and StarBuck

[springlullaby]

^ok acceptable.

@unwnd: post your team in bold.

[Starbuck]

The problem with running me+beeboy is that I cannot guarantee the other two people will simply pass, and then beeboy is never allowed to be on the quiz again. Beeboy is a slot scum

wants

to keep around. This is my problem just going with me+Beeboy because then you have a giant hole and scum has more room to sneak in when it's going to count more. This is the time to be risky and be willing to make a mistake.

I'm scared that if we happen to have an all town team then scum could roleblock you and then Beeboy fails the quiz. I think it was Beeboy who mentioned this? The joat could be a roleblocker

That was me here:

I don't like that we have to leave you off either. I'm worried about scum tampering on top of hoping someone doesn't get blocked for trying to help you pass and then it autofails due to your NU anyways.

There's just too many variables.