Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Something_Smart]

claiming sk seems like a pretty dumb move as groupscum

But not as town?

[Something_Smart]

Ss voting me is self preservation too

Right, that's why I didn't vote you and instead defended you both times when your wagon was high.

[gobbledygook]

Like there’s a reason I fakeclaimed SK and not just purposefully scumslipped like I did in Baker’s game. I’ve had ample opportunity to self hammer. If I wanted to die I would have done it. I wanted to troll you all since clearly none of you are trying to read. I did SK soecifically to see if people would gtfo me and try to find ground scum and only like three people did that. Skitter, Blake, Bingle, and mayyyne to an extent but it came really late, Menalque.

[gobbledygook]

Ss voting me is self preservation too

Right, that's why I didn't vote you and instead defended you both times when your wagon was high.

Things weren’t against you then

[Menalque]

If you're sk why dont you just claim vig
If you're groupscum why dont you just claim literally anything else

If you’re town why do you claim that you’re too frustrated and don’t have the energy to play and then claim SK?

To troll a town that is obviously terrible?
Look at Baker’s most recently completed large them. Read my iso. When towns are totally unwilling to work with me and tear me down at every chance for no reason when there are so many other scum bags just idling around it’s INFURIATING

I actually did and I think you were trying much harder there pre-wagon on you. I don’t really think you deserved to be lynched there based on your ISO, but also — you were wrong on lavender? I think you tend to get tilted when you’re town and you’ve been wagoned but I also don’t see why town!you claims SK there as opposed to something else, and it doesn’t change the fact that I got the impression that your posting felt much more honest while you were the outed SK than before or than it does now. If you’re town then genuinely I’m sorry for misreading you (again) and I’ll try to do better next time

[Something_Smart]

Because why not vote him when he first claimed sk

Are you being deliberately obtuse? I clearly don't want to lynch an outed SK for mechanical reasons, but he's not an outed SK anymore. He's someone who admitted to fakeclaiming SK, and that makes significantly more sense from mafia who was hoping to get a pass for a few days but realized he wouldn't, than from either town or actual SK.

The situation has changed, and you're acting like it's the same and then getting confused about why my opinion changed.

[gobbledygook]

I was wrong on lavender and if we had been able to get her to claim that town would still have been better off since the masons don’t die as fast. The masons in that fame would have lead lynched but alas

[gobbledygook]

If you’re town then genuinely I’m sorry for misreading you (again) and I’ll try to do better next time

I mean you’re still not as bad as Bingle who has now misread me 4 games in a row and still has no shame whatsoever about it

[Menalque]

Are you scum skitt because I’m really not sure that town!you misses the contextual difference here :/

I feel like you’re intentionally sidestepping this by focusing on gobbles btw skitt

I think if he's sk he doesnt claim vt now, and i think if ss wanted to lynch the sk he ought to have when gobble claimed

I'm not sidestepping the issue, i'm being p clear that i think ss is scum taking advantage of thr gobble mess to revitalize that wagon

Why not? I think the game was stalling because the lynch was pretty much set on being on gobble and so there’s no harm if you think you’re dying anyway in trying another gambit. I think gobbles is quite similar to me in his approach to mafia/his emotional reactions and that is entirely something I’d do if my initial plan didn’t pay off

I just like — if you think that’s what SS is doing then I still don’t see why you would be confused in the first place by SS voting gobbles now but not then?

[skitter30]

claiming sk seems like a pretty dumb move as groupscum

But not as town?

Its a silly thing to do as either alignment but i think its significantly more likely to come from town than scum because scum dont purposefully do things that might get them pl'd

[gobbledygook]

Skitter I really want you to reconsider Fb read.

[Menalque]

I was wrong on lavender and if we had been able to get her to claim that town would still have been better off since the masons don’t die as fast. The masons in that fame would have lead lynched but alas

I mean I didn’t read the whole game gobbles, I looked at your ISO (esp the early bit to see if I thought you getting wagoned was justified) and then I checked lav to see if your read was good or not to get a sense of how much tilt throws you off what I think are normally very good reads

[Something_Smart]

Its a silly thing to do as either alignment but i think its significantly more likely to come from town than scum because scum dont purposefully do things that might get them pl'd

I mean he obviously claimed SK to avoid being lynched.

[gobbledygook]

I clearly don't want to lynch an outed SK for mechanical reasons, but he's not an outed SK anymore

So it doesn’t matter that you defend me twice because with any other claim I die then
Huh.

Self. Pres.

[Menalque]

I’d like to hear from some people other than the 4 of us tbh, especially Maria and PP and datisi

[Menalque]

I also kinda wanna check what the plan was for the scumteam at this point in that C9++ game and what we were doing on D1 because depending on gobbles’ alignment I may now be having flashbacks

[skitter30]

Because why not vote him when he first claimed sk

Are you being deliberately obtuse? I clearly don't want to lynch an outed SK for mechanical reasons, but he's not an outed SK anymore. He's someone who admitted to fakeclaiming SK, and that makes significantly more sense from mafia who was hoping to get a pass for a few days but realized he wouldn't, than from either town or actual SK.

The situation has changed, and you're acting like it's the same and then getting confused about why my opinion changed.

Gobble, as mafia, claims sk when he's at l-1
And when he's at l-5 he recants. Obviously the fake-claim worked so why not just run with it a bit more ...

Look, it's literally pl-able behavior and i dont believe scum does this

Also the wagon had stalled so like ... why, at that point, rock the boat and change up the situation that took him out of the immediate lynch zone

And why did the game stall when scum-claiming-sk is at l-5, that doeant make sense either

[Something_Smart]

So it doesn’t matter that you defend me twice because with any other claim I die then
Huh.

Self. Pres.

Huh?

[Something_Smart]

Also the wagon had stalled so like ... why, at that point, rock the boat and change up the situation that took him out of the immediate lynch zone

Because it seemed like most people weren't willing to give him another day?

[gobbledygook]

So it doesn’t matter that you defend me twice because with any other claim I die then
Huh.

Self. Pres.

Huh?

You now voting me only because I’m not the SK means you would have voted me had I not claimed anything useful to you, despite you “town leaning” me earlier in the game.
Your two defenses of me don’t matter at all in that case.

[skitter30]

I just like — if you think that’s what SS is doing then I still don’t see why you would be confused in the first place by SS voting gobbles now but not then?

Because the timing of the vote is bad

I literally just said scum would try to use this to gef a free lynch when they want one and ss's vote looks like just that to me

[Something_Smart]

Look, it's literally pl-able behavior and i dont believe scum does this

I have seen scum do it before.

The situation was not exactly the same; that was a closed multiball game. But it was pretty similar because people didn't know whether there really was an SK or not.

[gobbledygook]

HOLY CLUCK

IF I WANTED TO CONTINUE TO LIve WHY DO I NOT JUST SAY OK GIVE ME YOUR LEASH TARGETS

[Something_Smart]

You now voting me only because I’m not the SK means you would have voted me had I not claimed anything useful to you, despite you “town leaning” me earlier in the game.
Your two defenses of me don’t matter at all in that case.

Uh no? It means I'm voting you because you claimed anti-town and then took it back, and there's clearly scum motivation and clearly no town motivation in that.

[skitter30]

Its a silly thing to do as either alignment but i think its significantly more likely to come from town than scum because scum dont purposefully do things that might get them pl'd

I mean he obviously claimed SK to avoid being lynched.

There's a very decent chance you get pl'd for claiming sk, if you're fake-claiming to avoid a lynch why dont you at least claim something non-pl'able, like, say, doc, jk, vig, etc