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[Fredrick A Campbell]

Being the first on the VC when the VC is posted so infrequently isn't a metric for the intent of ABR's pushes, which have been largely hollow. He will even admit he hasn't articulated his suspicion to the extent he is likely capable.

That wasn't your question, was it?

@Blair

I get the impression ABR pushes whatever is most topical in-thread. None of his pushes have been his own.

Do you think this is an accurate assessment? And whatever happened to your suspicion on him? It's gone and you're fine to vote with him now, or?

I don't think his behaviour is that alignment indicative now after correcting for my bias against players who don't answer questions.

That's not really my point.

Can you cite a single push of ABR's that's his own? Neither the Looker nor NPOM wagons he instigated, he just followed along.

I'll have to revisit his vote on Clair, will do that now.

[Flair]

I asked for consolidation yesterday, ABR, and you told me to wait until someone hammers.

Now it's your turn to wait.

You only want to consolidate now that the three players you've suggested are a single team are taking a look at you.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Apparently whatever abr wants dictates the games momentum and what is pro town. At this point what abr wants is not to be lynched.l

[Flair]

Being the first on the VC when the VC is posted so infrequently isn't a metric for the intent of ABR's pushes, which have been largely hollow. He will even admit he hasn't articulated his suspicion to the extent he is likely capable.

That wasn't your question, was it?

@Blair

I get the impression ABR pushes whatever is most topical in-thread. None of his pushes have been his own.

Do you think this is an accurate assessment? And whatever happened to your suspicion on him? It's gone and you're fine to vote with him now, or?

I don't think his behaviour is that alignment indicative now after correcting for my bias against players who don't answer questions.

That's not really my point.

Can you cite a single push of ABR's that's his own? Neither the Looker nor NPOM wagons he instigated, he just followed along.

I'll have to revisit his vote on Clair, will do that now.

You're missing the context and votes surrounding ABR's early pushes. If someone votes Clair before ABR does, then they change their vote, ABR is going to appear at the top of that wagon when the next VC is posted 24 hours later.

The slow frequency of the VCs don't capture all the finer wagon movements like I'd hope.

[NoPowerOverMe]

@NPOM

Can you please break-down for me how Looker is someone you're unwilling to eliminate, but isn't a villager of yours? Your village core list doesn't bother me all that much.

But if a player you want to protect because they're "medium-engaged" doesn't also make it onto that list, it's fair to question you not actually wanting to save them. Help me understand that.

Looker is now firmly townie.

[Flair]

Apparently whatever abr wants dictates the games momentum and what is pro town. At this point what abr wants is not to be lynched.l

Please answer my last question?

[Flair]

@NPOM

Can you please break-down for me how Looker is someone you're unwilling to eliminate, but isn't a villager of yours? Your village core list doesn't bother me all that much.

But if a player you want to protect because they're "medium-engaged" doesn't also make it onto that list, it's fair to question you not actually wanting to save them. Help me understand that.

Looker is now firmly townie.

And what was he before? Towny enough not to be eliminated but not towny enough to be put in your core?

[NoPowerOverMe]

@NPOM

Can you please break-down for me how Looker is someone you're unwilling to eliminate, but isn't a villager of yours? Your village core list doesn't bother me all that much.

But if a player you want to protect because they're "medium-engaged" doesn't also make it onto that list, it's fair to question you not actually wanting to save them. Help me understand that.

Looker is now firmly townie.

And what was he before? Towny enough not to be eliminated but not towny enough to be put in your core?

Pretty much.

[Flair]

@NPOM

Can you please break-down for me how Looker is someone you're unwilling to eliminate, but isn't a villager of yours? Your village core list doesn't bother me all that much.

But if a player you want to protect because they're "medium-engaged" doesn't also make it onto that list, it's fair to question you not actually wanting to save them. Help me understand that.

Looker is now firmly townie.

And what was he before? Towny enough not to be eliminated but not towny enough to be put in your core?

Pretty much.

How do you have such a precise read on a player who, at that time, had posted only 19 times?

I'm not following your progression is all. If you can take some time to walk me through how some of those core reads developed over the course of the game, it very well could save your life.

[NoPowerOverMe]

@NPOM

Can you please break-down for me how Looker is someone you're unwilling to eliminate, but isn't a villager of yours? Your village core list doesn't bother me all that much.

But if a player you want to protect because they're "medium-engaged" doesn't also make it onto that list, it's fair to question you not actually wanting to save them. Help me understand that.

Looker is now firmly townie.

And what was he before? Towny enough not to be eliminated but not towny enough to be put in your core?

Pretty much.

How do you have such a precise read on a player who, at that time, had posted only 19 times?

I'm not following your progression is all. If you can take some time to walk me through how some of those core reads developed over the course of the game, it very well could save your life.

I wouldn't call it precise. But the abr looker discussion had a major hand.

[NoPowerOverMe]

There was a similar circumstance in 2143 where "experienced" players wagoned a less experienced one and they flipped town.

[Flair]

@NPOM

Can you please break-down for me how Looker is someone you're unwilling to eliminate, but isn't a villager of yours? Your village core list doesn't bother me all that much.

But if a player you want to protect because they're "medium-engaged" doesn't also make it onto that list, it's fair to question you not actually wanting to save them. Help me understand that.

Looker is now firmly townie.

And what was he before? Towny enough not to be eliminated but not towny enough to be put in your core?

Pretty much.

How do you have such a precise read on a player who, at that time, had posted only 19 times?

I'm not following your progression is all. If you can take some time to walk me through how some of those core reads developed over the course of the game, it very well could save your life.

I wouldn't call it precise. But the abr looker discussion had a major hand.

Explain this to me as if I wasn’t there. FYPOV, what transpired?

[Flair]

There was a similar circumstance in 2143 where "experienced" players wagoned a less experienced one and they flipped town.

I wasn’t in that game so I can’t comment, but I’ve seen that happen often.

However, Looker doesn’t seem to be an inexperienced, or “less experienced” player. Are you an inexperienced player? I understand level of experience is relative but humour me.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I misinterpreted the term "like" as being personal - that struck me as AtE. I accept you response that I was wrong.

I felt constrained beforehand because I thought you were equally scummy. I no longer do.

I currently think you'd be the best flip.

You don't think I'm the most scummy but you think I'm the best flip. What associations do you plan to make from my slot?

I don't understand. How do I not find you the most scummy? You've had several interactions and your wagon and votes could be reviewed.

How else am I supposed to interpret the bolded above except as "I want your flip even if you're not the scummiest player"? You suggested I had used AtE (which I presumed was a scumtell), and then very acceptably decided that you were wrong (thus, one scumtell less). Is this not a softening of your scumread on me with a hardening of your resolution to lynch me? Or else, did you find some other reasons to scumread me? Either way I think you're leaving something out here.

I thought the three of you were equally scummy and then I didn't - you were the scummiest. I don't know what's getting lost in translation here.

{Looker, FB, Clair}
Maybe

VOTE: Looker

I looked through your ISO and you haven't given reason for a single vote. It's a wonder no one's noticed this.

How is that fun? Genuine question.

Next game you two and I play, we’re doing it elsewhere. We can keep these jank phase lengths of you’d like but the audience here is suspect as Hell.

It's a funny thing, but when I think of the games I've been proudest to win and saddest to lose, they've all been here. Either you like it or you don't, but there's something exalted about Mafiascum's drawn-out phases and timetables. It's a slow-burning delicate drug. I've played on many different sites but Mafiascum always sets the standard, is site on which I think people give most expression to their personae. The arrogance is just a natural consequence, and with time almost becomes charming, like the boasts of children.

Mafia is an exercise in human destruction. I use it to humble myself and to remind me that no one knows anything - everyone is an idiot. Everyone is sensitive and inclined to ad hominem. And groupthink.

Spoiler:

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• I also think that Blair's forgotten that I was already at L-1.

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I think you have not been reading the thread.

You really stopped by just to say that? How worthless.
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Do you know what I meant?
VOTE: Looker

Postscript: I wrote the above post when I was only at page 45. I proceeded to read the game and a wagon started on Looker. This postscript is written after I have read post 1237 by NoPowerOverMe.

Looker is at L-3.

No, because you didn't say anything.

I sort of fall asleep when I read Looker's posts. I guess if FL thinks he's scummy then I'll vote him. I have him as null and I don't think pressure would change that, so if we wagon him, his head will roll.

I feel like NPOM just doesn't want to be on a mislynch wagon.

Because he's not trying to get anyone lynched very hard, or really figuring stuff out by page 50... he's just sitting there like furniture and acting like I asked him to drop his pants and bend over when I ask for his help to build a bandwagon on Fred. Maybe he was town and thought that there was no way he was in danger?

FL, FB, gobbledygook, iamuser, Looker, what do you think?

I think I don't trust you.

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• Flair doesn't like it, but amateurs
  do
  like telegraphed thoughts. It puts them at ease.
  
• My PoE isn't "made-up" in the sense that it's random.It's a fluid depiction of who I'm willing to lynch at the point of its posting.
  
• I think it's bizarre Flair would vote me for "reactivity" as opposed to stan1ey for "inactivity". I feel he keeps changing what he wants out of me.
  
• Blair's trying to paint me as ABR's partner, but, if we're just going off of "Looker hasn't mentioned them", wouldn't that include Stan1ey, Sakura, IAAU, gobbledygook, NPOM, and Fred?
  
• I'd like for Flair to identify who all is party to this "limbo circle-jerk".
  
• I think I should be flattered scum want to run me up to L-1 again.
  
• Flair's argument that I should be lynched confuses me:
  • He says Clair has contributed more than me, so she's town, and that Stan1ey and IAAU have contributed less, but they're not scum.
  • If he's not going by post count, I'd like to know how he deemed Clair's contributions superior. Maybe it's her IRT responses? I don't want to put words in his mouth.
• Blair is explicitly saying NPOM is scum, but is trying to lynch me.
  
• How does Sakura remember my 19 posts more than she remembers Clair's 78?

VOTE: ABR The only reason I could see why someone would be so hellbent to associate me with ABR is if ABR is scum likely to be lynched due to his persona.

Blair tries to chain me to Looker and instead of voting Blair he votes me.

That's actually terrible play.

VOTE: Looker

[stan1ey]

Can we chill with the quotes plz

[Sakura Hana]

How does Sakura remember my 19 posts more than she remembers Clair's 78?

I suppose you answered yourself here.

[Flair]

Hey Stanley, how’s it going?

What’s your read on ABR?

[NoPowerOverMe]

There was a similar circumstance in 2143 where "experienced" players wagoned a less experienced one and they flipped town.

I wasn’t in that game so I can’t comment, but I’ve seen that happen often.

However, Looker doesn’t seem to be an inexperienced, or “less experienced” player. Are you an inexperienced player? I understand level of experience is relative but humour me.

I meant compared to abr. I have about 15 years experience.

[stan1ey]

Hey Stanley, how’s it going?

What’s your read on ABR?

Not a massive fan of his reads or pushes but not particularly scummy so far. I think he will be 1000% easier to sort once we have some flips to look at (I reckon looker will be too I dont wanna lynch him today either)

[Flair]

So you’re thinking NPOM or someone else, then?

[stan1ey]

I wanna lynch Fred

[Flair]

I wanna lynch Fred

Nice, we can work with that. Any particular reason?

Any thoughts on him hopping between NPOM and Looker? He admitted he has both as null but feels they won’t be a major loss if villagers. Which I didn’t entirely disagree with but I hate saying it aloud.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's kind of a wierd take on me actually considering I voted correctly in lylo last game.

[Sakura Hana]

That's kind of a wierd take on me actually considering I voted correctly in lylo last game.

You mean after LQ came in and called Porkens town in the thread by accident post-mortem and you believed he knew Porkens was town?

[Flair]

I went back and read your take, Stanley. I agree with it RE: Fred.

Has that read changed at all since then?