Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 1.33

gobbledygook [3]:

Datisi [651], Pink Ball [1115], Something_Smart [1676]

Something_Smart [3]

: Firebringer [1124], skitter30 [1664], gobbledygook [1704]

lilith2013 [1]:

Blake Belladonna [1345]

Firebringer [1]:

Bingle [1247]

skitter30 [1]

: MariaR [1164]

PenguinPower [1]

: lilith2013 [103]

Menalque [1]:

PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

Chemist1422, Menalque [1755]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Searching for a replacement for Chemist

[ofrhz]

Replacing Chemist

[Pink Ball]

Wow Datisi is the new skitter I see

[Pink Ball]

@Datisi:

Menalque - townread, I think his eager to win as town is showing
gobbledygook - SK, I think he claimed out of pressure and then realized his only chance of winning was unclaiming
skitter30 - scumread, looks like trying to show a town thought process instead of just having it, and by the end she's leaving her options open so she can go wherever the narrative suits her.
Bingle - he must die but he's probably town
MariaR - solid townread
Something_Smart - I don't know. Probably town
lilith2013 - scummy
Pink Ball - more like Ponk Ball amirite fellas?
PenguinPower - town!
Chemist1422 - I take my stances about Chemist back since he's repping out. I'd like to call the slot town because of how some other players went around him like sharks
Firebringer - I don't know, but probably town
Blake Belladonna - delicious, delicious scumread on me. I want her to be town 'cause her stances at some point were on par with mine, but I think she could be scum because of her progression on me (in simple words, I said I was scumreading her, she kept calm and stated her reads, I agreed with her and said she was probably town, then she comes back and I became one of her top scumreads)
Datisi - hi hello

[skitter30]

skitter30 - scumread, looks like trying to show a town thought process instead of just having it, and by the end she's leaving her options open so she can go wherever the narrative suits her.

i think this is vastly inaccurate and does not describe my play this game at all
i'm not at all leaving my options open, i've been very clear and consistent in highlighting who exactly i scumread and why

[Pink Ball]

And your progression on said scumreads is what I mean by leaving your options open. Like, there's almost no one I wouldn't expect you to vote, no one I would say "wow that vote from skitter seems off"

[skitter30]

? there's multiple people i wouldn't vote right now and my voting pool has been like 4 people this whole time
whatever gave you that impression ?

[Pink Ball]

hey that's what i said !

datisi, jingle, and mena a bit come to mind

oh mariar too

Four names you're calling out for advocating gobble's lynch.

You said you agreed with Bingle about FB and that he looked bad for some thing.

You've been wary about me.

SS, of course.

And you're defending gobble who nobody would mind if someone voted him.

That's 8 names out of 12. And I'm used to see town!skitter more stubborn about scumreads. Get my point now?

[Pink Ball]

I mean if you're less open about voting one of those 8 I believe you, but that's how it looks like for me

[skitter30]

pink ball you're conflating 'scummy/thinking someobdy looks bad' with 'wanting to vote (or lynch) right now' and i feel like you're more than aware that these are two different things

[Datisi]

Datisi - hi hello

hello hi

what does this read mean

[Pink Ball]

You're implying that "wanting to vote" is the same as "open to vote". And you've been more specific about things you don't like about almost the whole playerlist rather the things you like from the playerlist.

Again, do you or do you not get my point?

[Pink Ball]

Datisi - hi hello

hello hi

what does this read mean

That I don't have an impression of you 'cause either you've been absent or I haven't really paid attention on your slot, but I'm welcoming you now meaning I'll pay more attention on your posts now

[skitter30]

no, i don't, and i think you're drawing a meaningless distinction between 'wanting to vote' and 'open to vote'

i'm not interested in voting about half of the names you just listed
i'm only considering right now: ss, gobble, chemist-slot, and now maybe you

[Pink Ball]

Oh no you're considering me!!!! Oh the agony

[skitter30]

yeah that's ignoring my point

[Pink Ball]

As I said, leaving your options open is giving yourself space to move around freely, and that's something I expect coming from scum. If you're not interested in voting half of the names I listed, I believe you and I'll judge you if you do it

[skitter30]

no, i don't, and i think you're drawing a meaningless distinction between 'wanting to vote' and 'open to vote'

actually the opposite, but more like you're conflating 'saying someone is scummy' with 'wanting and being open to voting them right now', which is ridiculous

[Pink Ball]

No dude, I'm not ignoring your point, you're acting like "open to vote someone" is the same as "I'll vote any of this players" is the same. One is putting yourself in a position where your future actions are less judgable 'cause it suits your progression. The other one is pushing everyone and you're not doing that.

[Pink Ball]

no, i don't, and i think you're drawing a meaningless distinction between 'wanting to vote' and 'open to vote'

actually the opposite, but more like you're conflating 'saying someone is scummy' with 'wanting and being open to voting them right now', which is ridiculous

And yet again, that's not what I'm saying or even implied...

[Pink Ball]

Let's see, I'll explain this again: you've been like "an open book" about what you think looks bad on some players: that doesn't mean you'll vote them or are willing to vote them or you're advocating a lynch of them. What I'm saying is that, by posting things you don't like about a lot of slots, you put yourself in a position where, in the future, you CAN vote them and make sense with your progression.

[Pink Ball]

If you still don't get the difference I really don't know how to explain it to make it clearer and I would like to not keep this conversation

[skitter30]

i disagree that stating my scumreads or people that i find suspicous is means i'm trying to leave myself open to voting there
like if you're saying i'm scum who's leaving herself options by playing this way/talking about people this way how ought town!me indicate what i'm thinking about various slots

[lilith2013]

I'll have to rethink.

There's still a dissonance to the game that I don't think would naturally exist if the scumteam were all among the lower influence players. I don't have enough information to determine where exactly the dissonance is coming from at the current moment.

Blake, who would you consider to be higher influence players? Your readslist doesn’t really jive with this post.. I’d consider everyone in your 3-4 lowest tiers to be of lower influence, which fypov should contradict what you said above.

[lilith2013]

Like there’s a reason I fakeclaimed SK and not just purposefully scumslipped like I did in Baker’s game. I’ve had ample opportunity to self hammer. If I wanted to die I would have done it. I wanted to troll you all since clearly none of you are trying to read. I did SK soecifically to see if people would gtfo me and try to find ground scum and only like three people did that. Skitter, Blake, Bingle, and mayyyne to an extent but it came really late, Menalque.

Why didn’t you just claim a PR then?