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[lilith2013]

Its a silly thing to do as either alignment but i think its significantly more likely to come from town than scum because scum dont purposefully do things that might get them pl'd

I mean he obviously claimed SK to avoid being lynched.

There's a very decent chance you get pl'd for claiming sk, if you're fake-claiming to avoid a lynch why dont you at least claim something non-pl'able, like, say, doc, jk, vig, etc

this is true for both town and scum though. In all cases, fakeclaiming SK is a suboptimal play so i don’t really think you can argue “why would gobbles claim SK as groupscum, that’s clearly a suboptimal play” when i could make (and am making) the other side of this argument - why would gobbles claim SK as town? that’s also a suboptimal play, i would say maybe even more so than if he were groupscum? on top of that, if gobbles truly wanted town to look for other groupscum then he could have agreed to be leashed, since most of the people trying to lynch him said he could live if he agreed to that. and it didn’t even have to be right away, but he saw how long-winded the arguments were getting about whether to let him live and he didn’t do anything to redirect the game back towards scumhunting at that point, when he could have agreed to be leashed or retracted his claim then. i think that’s more telling than the fakeclaim itself.

[lilith2013]

I think fb is just scum straight up. Trying to meme his way in with a fakeclaim of cop but didn’t realize there’s no cop unless he’s rolecop

? i don’t think it was a serious claim by any means. also rolecop isn’t a scumrole?

[Blake Belladonna]

Have I missed my chance to talk with the lovely Blake

Hello.

I was asleep at this time.

[Menalque]

Hi, I had questions for you!

[Blake Belladonna]

@blake would you vote turkey?

@blake, could you give explanations for the 4 reads you have earlier?

The first one is still relevant now I think, but the second is the one I’m more interested in

Currently, I believe gobbledygook is town.

I was on a different wavelength between the initial reads I gave and the more recent one, namely I was getting reads based on eyeballing the thread and getting a rough sense of how people were approaching it, while I specifically looked for certain traits that I believe come from scum in the second one. If there are specific trajectories or updated reads that you find interesting, that would be a much better question at this stage in the game.

[Menalque]

Okay, what made you decrease your confidence in Maria and why do you think that I’m town?

[Menalque]

Did you get to a point previously where you felt more confident in reading me in general, because I remember in our first ever game together you said that my play is something you tend to get false positive results for scumhunting on so I’m curious what made you confident in me being town from early on and then sustained that

[Datisi]

hi mena i gave you my opinion on the thing you asked is there anything you want to comment on that fact

[Blake Belladonna]

Also @blake what caused your María read to drop in strength?

This is mostly explained in the above. My read on MariaR was not strong in the first place, and I've learned in the somewhat recent past that she does both put an unnatural focus on my slot as town and mafia, at least some of the time, and that I'm not the strongest at identifying her motivations for it.

I think I'm much more likely to correctly resolve her alignment later on in the game, so I'm not entirely willing to give any strong read of her either way until I have a good reason to believe as such.

[Menalque]

Lilith, I responded to everything you were badgering me about and now it doesn’t feel like you wanna talk anymore

I would also like to talk to María at this point in time

[Menalque]

hi mena i gave you my opinion on the thing you asked is there anything you want to comment on that fact

Err not so much comment on but sure I’ll hear what you think on pure boi and skitter more recently

[Menalque]

Also why did you respond with “...” to my thanking people for not being toxic?

[Blake Belladonna]

Did you get to a point previously where you felt more confident in reading me in general, because I remember in our first ever game together you said that my play is something you tend to get false positive results for scumhunting on so I’m curious what made you confident in me being town from early on and then sustained that

I don't remember exactly what I saw initially, but as of now, after playing with you in the neighborhood setup where you were scum, I believe I have enough to have some ability to intuit your approach to the game. I think you're one of those players that if you do end up pocketing me early into the game, my methods of checking my own work will eventually reveal it to me.

[Datisi]

Also why did you respond with “...” to my thanking people for not being toxic?

the bullet point two above aimed at gobbles

[Datisi]

also idk i'm getting ~bad vibes~ from skit and i vibe ponk bill

[Menalque]

I don’t think that’s toxic I think that’s potentially just frustration. Fuck, I think that might mean I TR gobbles too lmao. The inevitable struggle of lynching him to make sure I don’t have egg on my face in endgame or sticking on it and lynching elsewhere. Blake, what’s your read on S_S? Is there a world where that’s SvS with skitter to you?

[lilith2013]

Lilith, I responded to everything you were badgering me about and now it doesn’t feel like you wanna talk anymore

I would also like to talk to María at this point in time

I responded to you? Is there a specific thing you want me to answer?

[Menalque]

Also, if I’m understanding right, it’s less that you think I’ve done anything that townie and more that you think I haven’t done the things that would indicate to you that I’m playing from my scum mindset?

[Blake Belladonna]

Firebringer is town.

can you please elaborate on this?

I think that the way he transitioned out of the early game is town indicative.

Namely, his fluffy content overall went towards being less invasive without any proactive factors.

[Menalque]

Lilith, I responded to everything you were badgering me about and now it doesn’t feel like you wanna talk anymore

I would also like to talk to María at this point in time

I responded to you? Is there a specific thing you want me to answer?

Oh, did you? I missed that, sorry, I’ll go have a look in a mo, I’m about to do a load of washing up.

[Blake Belladonna]

I don’t think that’s toxic I think that’s potentially just frustration. Fuck, I think that might mean I TR gobbles too lmao. The inevitable struggle of lynching him to make sure I don’t have egg on my face in endgame or sticking on it and lynching elsewhere. Blake, what’s your read on S_S? Is there a world where that’s SvS with skitter to you?

My read on him has not changed since my latest reads list. Maybe a bit lower.

[Menalque]

I think Blake could be scum for the record but I think she’s done enough that I don’t wanna lynch her today and I think she’s probably being forced to bus if she is scum?

If I die and Blake survives after catching a couple of scum I don’t think she should be cleared, ftr. I’m not saying it makes her scum either but just that I think she’d bus if needed and that it shouldn’t be clearing. Same thing for skitt if chem!slot does flip scum

[Menalque]

Okay I’ll be back a bit later talk amongst yourselves

[Datisi]

mena do you still wanna lynch gobbles

[Blake Belladonna]

I think Blake could be scum for the record but I think she’s done enough that I don’t wanna lynch her today and I think she’s probably being forced to bus if she is scum?

If I die and Blake survives after catching a couple of scum I don’t think she should be cleared, ftr. I’m not saying it makes her scum either but just that I think she’d bus if needed and that it shouldn’t be clearing. Same thing for skitt if chem!slot does flip scum

Interesting.