In post 1908, Almost50 wrote:I don't see how you got FIVE even if you thought BD resolved first. It's either or. BD resolves before Hider = those targeting X will actually hit Y and vise versa. If BD resolves after the the Hider hits the designated target of their choice. Unless you also assumed Y is SCUM (in addition to thinking BD resolved before Hiding), so you thought Y visitors would hit X (and if there's a Hider among them they will die, otherwise they're not the Hider) AND those who targeted C will hit Y (and if the Hider is among them will die because they hid behind Scum, otherwise they're not the Hider).
You misunderstand how NAR works, as always, old friend.
The Golden Rule applies first:
Apply actions which modify other actions before the actions they modify.
In this case, say that a Hider targets Maria and a busdriver targets Maria. The busdriver effects the hider, but the hider doesn't effect the busdriver. Therefore the busdriver applies first, meaning the hider will target someone who is not Maria.
To get a case with the ordered list mattering here, we'll say the hider is the case where it is fully untargetable, not just immune to NKs. The hider targets Maria and the Busdriver targets Maria and the hider. The hider and bus driver both attempt to effect each other (hider by making the busdriver fail, busdriver by making the hider change targets). The hider takes priority, the busdriver fails, and the hider is awkwardly crouched behind Maria all night while she showcases a complete lack of situational awareness as town or has a murderparty as scum.
Of course, that's not the version of the hider in this game. The version of the hider in this game is the version where only nightkills fail to target them, so the busdriver will always be able to effect the hider's target.
As far as narrowing down the hider faster than 4 per night, there will be overlap in the hider target claims. It doesn't make sense to target someone who is a universal townread or a claimed PR since they're probably going to die and you don't get much knowledge from targeting them. It doesn't make sense to target someone you're sure is scum because innocent results are better for a hider than guilties. As such, with 12 people going into night we can assume only 8-9 of them will be reasonable choices for a hider, meaning we can assume significant overlap in the hider crumbs.
