In post 76, Clover Ebi wrote:I think the best way to put it is I don't think someone would have their expectations as high as you're acting like they are. Thinking Kanna is sus because she didn't say what those good points are right away or, the fact two people didn't post in a game right away. One of those points you can't even make a defense for. It's...off to me.
I am not interested in whether or not one "can make a defense" for a point, I am interested in finding scum! I am going to pressure continue to pressure until I am satisfied I have done the best I can to create useful content to sort people and find reads I feel comfortable with.
I also cannot parse your first sentence here, the meaning escapes me. Whose expectations are you referring to, mine? And what about these "expectations" is not likely to come from a town!GuiltyLion?
Please do not handwave reasoning with vague meaningless statements like "this is off", that is how scum like to push mislynches! Either ask me questions to help you understand, or make an explicit claim for why you think my actions are indicative of my scum alignment. All I'm hearing from you here is "I didn't like your reasons for pressuring people", and I feel that is just as reach-y as "you confirmed and checked your role PM and didn't post", if not moreso, because it is
quite often
when playing mafia that you disagree or dislike reasoning that townies give.
In post 76, Clover Ebi wrote:The post you made is 'true' that I was trying to stop people from making any type of scumread on Blair for her chart, that's why I can nod along. Do I think that's bad or AI? No, but that's not for me to decide.
Ah but that's not at all why I pushed you? I said the specific phrasing you used when you talked about why we can't scumread Blair made it sound like your mindset was thinking in terms of justified reasons to push someone moreso than justified reasons to evaluate Blair's alignment.
It's actually a similar problem I have with your push on me! You say my reasons are "reaches", but that does not mean that I do not believe they are valid reasons to pressure people! If my beliefs are genuine, I am town, regardless of whether they're "justifiable" or not.
In post 76, Clover Ebi wrote:
And what is wrong with having a hedge? I don't like a post by Dunnstral so I'm going to wait and see more of his posting. So in theory, yes you could say I am 'giving myself room' as you say. Taking a solid stand at the moment would simply be a lie and I see no reasn to pretend I have a solid stand on a player. Not all people can just get a read that easily.
If you don't have a read, why are you taking a "wait and see" approach instead of talking to Dunnstral directly yourself? Why throw out some vague shade but not bother to actually engage with or pressure Dunnstral? We have fewer than three days, time is not on our side.
Blair, I am v surprised you said this is "so town it hurts". It's super easy for scum to pretend to not have a read
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"