Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[CooLDoG]

could this be scum overreager

to get a claim out, and

wanting to fake lucidity

of "not knowing he wasn't on L-1". is 2 minutes enough to reread the last three pages, then make that post? this may just be a situation of me being old, but it seems like a very short window of time. whipper snappers please chime in!

[Hoopla]

could this be scum overreager

to get a claim out, and

wanting to fake lucidity

of "not knowing he wasn't on L-1". is 2 minutes enough to reread the last three pages, then make that post? this may just be a situation of me being old, but it seems like a very short window of time. whipper snappers please chime in!

yes, it's called thinking through a situation instead of just blindly jumping to conclusions.

you should try it some time.

[CooLDoG]

I thought you didn't think through situations on d1

[Hoopla]

I thought you didn't think through situations on d1

now you're just being facetious.

[notscience]

I will probably be here early in the morning but tomorrow’s the first full day of my restaurant being opened and I’m looking at a 13 hour day

[Hiraki]

I actually had no idea you were voting flippyNips because the last thing you said about his content was in your second post. You've talked plenty about your other two scumreads, but voted flippyNips without a single word about it.

He started posting content specifically in response to being called out for not posting content.

yeah beats me

It's a scummy opinion. You don't accomplish anything as town by being against it. Like, yay, Hoopla's town reads should be null reads and they shouldn't be cooperating...? Now what?

I don't get why everything has to be alignment based but the fact that you're pushing it as a scummy opinion rather than what it actually is - just an opinion - is not good

Re Klick, 915 in what fucking year did being anti-D1-townbloc become scummy? Fuck.

we back homie

I thought you didn't think through situations on d1

hmm

[Hiraki]

It's a scummy opinion. You don't accomplish anything as town by being against it. Like, yay, Hoopla's town reads should be null reads and they shouldn't be cooperating...? Now what?

i'd actually like to hone into why this is a terrible statement overall - a little theory based but it's what i am thinking

for an opinion to be scummy, there has to be

scum

intent. this is something easy to say but hard to "prove". something to note is that the reverse is also true with having a town opinion. with this in mind, i'd like to re-examine what klick is saying here

what on

earth

would put my alignment toward scum for saying that i disagree with hoopla's ways of playing the game? town blocs are absolutely not essential nor are they always trusted, especially by people who are in and not in them (which is how they survive) - so how does the fact that I am saying that the "leader" of a town bloc, who I also think will flip scum, should not be trusted????????????????????????? this is what i meant above by scummy for an opinion, not an alignment based opinion

[UnaBombaH]

weak ass attacks on hoopla from una. Basically just trying to attack his way out of her scum read on him and then backing off of the attack.

Isn't this flawed from your perspective?
You just said Hoopla is scum, and even voted there.
Yet here you already slip from that narrative, since to you this scenario would be two scumbuddies acting, not me trying to "attack his way out of her scum read on him"..?

[UnaBombaH]

I mean, the chances of that being a fake claim are zero. Who the hell would think to fake claim that? Ridiculous.

I do not know how long you have been inactive, but that is not even the wildest claim I've seen and some of them turn out to be fake.
People use their imaginations and the Normal guidelines permit a lot nowadays.
Furthermore, speculating roles existance could be dangerous for town in these situations because you might end up giving the scum fakeclaim ideas..
And even more, don't be disappointed if none of those roles you specified end up being in the game.
That's just how unpredictable Normal games are now.

[UnaBombaH]

una's posting is lazy.

I'm honestly annoyed by this.
Either you do not even try reading me, or your interpretation of lazy is way different from mine.

[UnaBombaH]

Anyone else think we were closing in on scum earlier, considering there are now FOUR wagons on pretty much equal footing?
Again.
Flippynips-wagon fell apart due to the claim, obviously, but what about Gobbledy?
No claims, AND NOT MANY POSTS TO MAKE PEOPLE RECONSIDER, yet somehow it wasn't pushed through.

[Hoopla]

Anyone else think we were closing in on scum earlier, considering there are now FOUR wagons on pretty much equal footing?
Again.

too many players lurking. it's sapping my vigor and zeal. yes! even me - your local heroine - is feeling the effects & fading fortunes of this pathetic town.

[Hoopla]

here is the updated vote count:

Vote Count Day 1.16

gobbledygook (3):

AGar, UnaBombaH, PranaDevil

Hoopla (3):

Emperor flippyNips, Hiraki, CooLDoG

UnaBombaH (3):

gobbledygook, Hoopla, Klick

Gypyx (2):

notscience, Battle Mage

Not Voting (2):

bob3141, Gypyx

Battle Mage is VLA until Sunday

There are (expired on 2020-06-17 06:05:00) remaining in Day 1
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.[/area]
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from my eyes, it looks like it's come down to gobbledygook, me and una. gypyx has never really been a serious candidate, and although he's a polarising character, there are too many players that have him as newbtown to get a majority there.

notscience, Battle Mage, bob3141 and Gypyx are the current game stallers.

make something happen.

move your vote.

compromise.

we have four days.

[Gypyx]

Recap of the current wagons :

Goobledygook : built itself progresively, only to be suddenly stopped upon reaching L-1 without any good reason

FlippyNips : quick wagon, got cut off by Flippy's claim

Gypyx : (ofc i'm kinda biased on this one) wagon that kinda "lurked" as a possibility, started to pick up the pace in response to Gooble reaching L-1

Hoopla : i'm not feeling good about this wagon, but that's probably because i'm TR'ing hoopla

Una : weird wagon considering the peoples on it, and the fact that it's kinda stalling : scum / lynchbait for later?

I still think thar gooble is scum, and considering that nothing new comes from him VOTE: gooble

[Gypyx]

Well, here you go hoop

[Hoopla]

Una : weird wagon considering the peoples on it, and the fact that it's kinda stalling : scum / lynchbait for later?

you think that wagon's weird? check out the brains trust powering mine!

[Gypyx]

Yeah agreed, your wagon is pretty terrible

[Hoopla]

eh, hiraki goes okay, i guess. though i am starting to find his lack of curiosity about my alignment suspicious. seems like he picked a position on me early and is just sticking with it.

of course, cooldog is doing the same thing re: me. but black & white thinking appears to be the status quo for cooldog, so lack of curiosity doesn't seem as much of a tell for him.

[notscience]

I hate all 3 wagons

VOTE: una

The people on this wagon fall more in line with my townreads than the other two

[Hiraki]

eh, hiraki goes okay, i guess. though i am starting to find his lack of curiosity about my alignment suspicious. seems like he picked a position on me early and is just sticking with it.

of course, cooldog is doing the same thing re: me. but black & white thinking appears to be the status quo for cooldog, so lack of curiosity doesn't seem as much of a tell for him.

i have tried, i just don't see it. in the middle there, i thought you were getting better but in hindsight i think it was just the less game-y text

[Hiraki]

i also still have not seen anything convincing on the gooble case

[CooLDoG]

I mean, the chances of that being a fake claim are zero. Who the hell would think to fake claim that? Ridiculous.

I do not know how long you have been inactive, but that is not even the wildest claim I've seen and some of them turn out to be fake.
People use their imaginations and the Normal guidelines permit a lot nowadays.
Furthermore, speculating roles existance could be dangerous for town in these situations because you might end up giving the scum fakeclaim ideas..
And even more, don't be disappointed if none of those roles you specified end up being in the game.
That's just how unpredictable Normal games are now.

yeah. But if you fake claim that you are actually stupid. We can confirm it. The only way you can get away with the ruit vendor is to make your scum bud say they got the fruit. Very risky plays. Very fucking risky as scum.

una's posting is lazy.

I'm honestly annoyed by this.
Either you do not even try reading me, or your interpretation of lazy is way different from mine.

very lazy posting here. I mean, you throw out reads and bullshit. Anyone can do that. I can see scum with your short and lazy playstyle. Trying to fly under the radar.

still got 3 days to go till lynch... I'ma be a hold out.

[gobbledygook]

The Una wagon looks to me to be built by all town. In Una wagon I trust

I have asthma and was having an allergic attack apparently

[Klick]

Battle Mage: Espe was towny. I reeeally liked 99. Battle Mage himself is... fine? Looking forward to developing this more.

????????????????????????? this is upper echelon so a town read??????????

also why is that everyone who is "lynchbait" is at the top of your list? scum =/= lynchbait?

I'm at least leaning town on Espeslot and wouldn't want to lynch there today, yeah. 99 was that good. Admittedly I don't have much else to base that read on. But it's better than everyone below.

Gypyx and gobble aren't town because they're lynchbait, though admittedly I imagine there's some correlation between being VI-like and being read as obvtown. Besides, I have 5 townreads and the ones that I listed as 'lynchbait' are numbers 1 and 3. I've admitted that numbers 4 and 5 aren't that strong.

Also, to quote your signature phrase: why does this matter???

The traitor stuff is legit, and he's trying to scumhunt and getting frustrated that it's not working.

disregarding the first part, why can't scum also be frustrated with "scumhunting" that isn't working? because he's new?

This is based in the fact that scum have to fake scumhunting, while town are legitimately trying to solve the game. Scum have no reason to get frustrated that they're getting ignored - getting ignored is generally good for scum. They don't need to be listened to, they just need to not be lynched. And if they're frustrated that they aren't being listened to, they're probably more frustrated with their scum play than their town play, and thus the game thread isn't their go-to place to vent that frustration.

Town are trying to find scum and hear from other town. If they're getting ignored, they're not accomplishing their goal. That's frustrating.

[notscience]

Klick talk to me bc we have polar opposite reads this game and i wanna figure out why

I like most of your townreads but I dont think BM has been townier than most

I like what Hiraki has been saying. I feel like hes actually been trying to divine alignments.

I like unas tone as I said before.

Obv your read on me is wrong

And nippyflips I just get major Tippy vibes and its really weird he is your strongest scumread.