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[Menalque]

I looked back at some of his games and don’t think that he’s anything like his town self here

what did you look at?

I cba to link rn but GnR IV and the mini normal that tris modded

[Menalque]

Also looked at his posts when he was scum in the game with lilith and skitt and I think it’s much more approximate to here than either of those towngames

[Datisi]

current read of skitt?

[Menalque]

It probably is. I'm a lot more likely to appear invested in things as scum.

i mean i don't even feel SS is scumhunting here guys.

...and?

do u not scumhunt anymore?

Not on D1.

I also really think they give the lie to this, because town S_S pretty definitively does scumhunt on D1 and this now sounds much more like an excuse for not having scumhunted than it fits into his meta of not letting people push him into stuff

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 1.37

gobbledygook [5]:

Datisi [651], Pink Ball [1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855], lilith2013 [2048]

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Something_Smart [5]

: Firebringer [1124], skitter30 [1664], gobbledygook [1704], Bingle [1927], Menalque [2000]

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lilith2013 [1]:

Blake Belladonna [1345]

Not Voting [2]:

Almost50, PenguinPower [1840]

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Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

[Menalque]

current read of skitt?

Depends a lot on what S_S flips. I think much more likely to be town and would explain why I was having dissonance with her early on if my reads were off and she was pushing scum. Also liked the bit where she got paranoid of me and we talked about that, it felt like what’s happened before when we’ve both been town

On the flip side, I’ve had at least one game where I had her dead to rights and she managed to sell me on lynching someone else first through focussing me specifically and I’m pretty sure that if she wants to make me TR her as scum then she can and may have done so

[Menalque]

So leantown but it’s a qualified one. She gets a temporary pass if S_S flips scum but not an indefinite one because I know she will bus hard if needed

[Menalque]

I’m actually disappointed in myself for clicking on the b&s mafia thread before I read the game because I think I should have used it as a test of reading you

[lilith2013]

no i think SS's play this game is fairly similar to zoey's, and that his VLA at the beginning of both games had similar effects on how he played D1 there vs here (both feeling distant and not scumhunting)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=27021

[lilith2013]

also on what earth would scum be the sole defender against an L-1 wagon on their scumpartner?

[lilith2013]

i think you're trying to line up mislynches here

[Menalque]

also on what earth would scum be the sole defender against an L-1 wagon on their scumpartner?

...the world where they don’t want their scumpartner to be lynched lmao?

[lilith2013]

wait nvm, you said lynch me if SS flips red

[Menalque]

i think you're trying to line up mislynches here

I’m Menalque’s big book of mafia it says that the person accusing someone else of chaining mislynches has a 17% increased chance of being scum so err — nuh-uh

[lilith2013]

also on what earth would scum be the sole defender against an L-1 wagon on their scumpartner?

...the world where they don’t want their scumpartner to be lynched lmao?

when bussing is a much more viable option?

[lilith2013]

i still think i'm right on SS

[Something_Smart]

and I think your angle might be as simple as "survive" because I think the game has been headed towards the lynch being you if not gobbles for a while and so long as he was claiming SK there were voices (myself + others) strongly advocating for his death.

That's not even accurate. I had two votes when I voted gobble, and there were two other people also at two votes.

[Something_Smart]

s_s, what's your read on Mena?

Slight townlean? I don't remember most of the stuff he's done, but his interactions with me feel pretty reasonable and it doesn't look like he's shying away from interacting with me which I'd expect he'd do as scum.

[Something_Smart]

regarding the reasons for people being on his wagon - i have a lot of respect for SS as a player, i think he’s very intelligent and strategic, and i trust him over me completely when it comes to mechanics. i witnessed firsthand the kind of thought process that goes on when he’s scum, and i am absolutely, 100% certain that all of the things he said that seemed mechanically “off” to yall (ie the hider strategy with Bingle, and whether to leave SK!gobbles alive), he would say regardless of his alignment. scum!SS wouldn’t be saying things that he doesn’t genuinely believe is the best play. i can’t quote this verbatim but something he said to me while we were hydraing together is that he literally won’t post anything that he doesn’t think is true. on top of that, if he knew that what he was saying about hiders and keeping gobbles alive weren’t the best plays for town, i don’t think he would stick his head out and be the lone dissenter, i think his approach would be to not stand out. so feel free to think he’s wrong, but these takes being “wrong” is not scum indicative for him and i will defend this until the end of time. this is not a valid reason to scumread SS. even if my townread on SS is wrong (which i really don’t think it is), hell, even if i were scumreading SS, i would still argue that these points are not valid reasons to scumread him.

This so much.

[Datisi]

I’m actually disappointed in myself for clicking on the b&s mafia thread before I read the game because I think I should have used it as a test of reading you

tbh i'm disappointed now too

also how did you not see the mod post saying who won?

[Something_Smart]

I think I still want to lynch SS because I looked back at some of his games and don’t think that he’s anything like his town self here

Elaborate?

I mean, I agree with you that I'm playing fairly differently, because my play is worlds apart when I'm under pressure versus when I'm not (and spoiler alert: the latter is easier to read), but it's definitely not the case that I'm playing more like my pressured scum self than my pressured town self.

If you're thinking of G&R III, I didn't give any shits by the time I was lynched in that game.

[Something_Smart]

I also really think they give the lie to this, because town S_S pretty definitively does scumhunt on D1 and this now sounds much more like an excuse for not having scumhunted than it fits into his meta of not letting people push him into stuff

Would you like me to find myself saying I don't scumhunt on D1 as town? I'm sure I can.

It's not literally true, of course, since it depends on the situation. But my philosophy is very much to try to find town in the early stages and then put things together mechanically from there.

[Firebringer]

@mena why am i in ur scum group

@a50 ive tried to get my sister to play mafia. she thinks only in person mafia is something is worth playing.

[Firebringer]

regarding the reasons for people being on his wagon - i have a lot of respect for SS as a player, i think he’s very intelligent and strategic, and i trust him over me completely when it comes to mechanics. i witnessed firsthand the kind of thought process that goes on when he’s scum, and i am absolutely, 100% certain that all of the things he said that seemed mechanically “off” to yall (ie the hider strategy with Bingle, and whether to leave SK!gobbles alive), he would say regardless of his alignment. scum!SS wouldn’t be saying things that he doesn’t genuinely believe is the best play. i can’t quote this verbatim but something he said to me while we were hydraing together is that he literally won’t post anything that he doesn’t think is true. on top of that, if he knew that what he was saying about hiders and keeping gobbles alive weren’t the best plays for town, i don’t think he would stick his head out and be the lone dissenter, i think his approach would be to not stand out. so feel free to think he’s wrong, but these takes being “wrong” is not scum indicative for him and i will defend this until the end of time. this is not a valid reason to scumread SS. even if my townread on SS is wrong (which i really don’t think it is), hell, even if i were scumreading SS, i would still argue that these points are not valid reasons to scumread him.

This so much.

These all seem like arguments for a null read. And I disagree with that.

[Firebringer]

also on what earth would scum be the sole defender against an L-1 wagon on their scumpartner?

...the world where they don’t want their scumpartner to be lynched lmao?

when bussing is a much more viable option?

didn't u avoid bussing in guns and roses too though?