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[Something_Smart]

These all seem like arguments for a null read.

...I mean, yes. It's an argument for why a thing that people are calling me scum for is not a good reason to call me scum.

[Firebringer]

i think fire is town

How certain are you on him? because I have him as null (and with me failing to have as many SRs as I should he 's in my PoE)

Rude. I should be in the scum pile.

[Firebringer]

These all seem like arguments for a null read.

...I mean, yes. It's an argument for why a thing that people are calling me scum for is not a good reason to call me scum.

Where u at with everyone.

[lilith2013]

regarding the reasons for people being on his wagon - i have a lot of respect for SS as a player, i think he’s very intelligent and strategic, and i trust him over me completely when it comes to mechanics. i witnessed firsthand the kind of thought process that goes on when he’s scum, and i am absolutely, 100% certain that all of the things he said that seemed mechanically “off” to yall (ie the hider strategy with Bingle, and whether to leave SK!gobbles alive), he would say regardless of his alignment. scum!SS wouldn’t be saying things that he doesn’t genuinely believe is the best play. i can’t quote this verbatim but something he said to me while we were hydraing together is that he literally won’t post anything that he doesn’t think is true. on top of that, if he knew that what he was saying about hiders and keeping gobbles alive weren’t the best plays for town, i don’t think he would stick his head out and be the lone dissenter, i think his approach would be to not stand out. so feel free to think he’s wrong, but these takes being “wrong” is not scum indicative for him and i will defend this until the end of time. this is not a valid reason to scumread SS. even if my townread on SS is wrong (which i really don’t think it is), hell, even if i were scumreading SS, i would still argue that these points are not valid reasons to scumread him.

This so much.

These all seem like arguments for a null read. And I disagree with that.

my reasons for townreading SS are not related to this at all. i'm arguing that people who are voting SS for these reasons shouldn't be, because they should have a null read based on the above. did you read the whole post?

also on what earth would scum be the sole defender against an L-1 wagon on their scumpartner?

...the world where they don’t want their scumpartner to be lynched lmao?

when bussing is a much more viable option?

didn't u avoid bussing in guns and roses too though?

sure, but at the very least i'd say i have a history of "not townreading" my partners. i mean it's pretty clear that i'm aligning myself strongly with SS here which is just a stupid move if we're scum together.

[lilith2013]

These all seem like arguments for a null read.

...I mean, yes. It's an argument for why a thing that people are calling me scum for is not a good reason to call me scum.

^

[Something_Smart]

i mean it's pretty clear that i'm aligning myself strongly with SS here which is just a stupid move if we're scum together.

Is it an angle you would take if you were scum and I was town?

[Firebringer]

did you read the whole post?

I skimmed it. Seemed like word salad to me when the jist was "none of these are scummy things. U guys scum reads don't have justification" and was like "ohh so none of this is why he is town just that nothing is scummy.

and then i hit the snooze button cause i just don't agree with that assesment.

[lilith2013]

probably? the tunneling you strategy didn't really work last time because i couldn't find things to scumread you for lol

[Menalque]

S_S what would your read have been on lilith if she’d entered the game hard shitpushing you?

[lilith2013]

did you read the whole post?

I skimmed it. Seemed like word salad to me when the jist was "none of these are scummy things. U guys scum reads don't have justification" and was like "ohh so none of this is why he is town just that nothing is scummy.

and then i hit the snooze button cause i just don't agree with that assesment.

yeah no the majority of my post was about why i townread him and it had nothing to do with this mechanical stuff.

[Firebringer]

u just contradicted urself.
don't make me go read through ur word salad.

[Something_Smart]

Where u at with everyone.

Skitter, lilith, Menalque, maybe A50 are townleans.
Gobble is scum.
Probably among the people who've voted me the vote I've liked the least is Bingle's, I would have expected him to understand why my gobble read flipped rather than just sheeping skitter's reasoning there.

[Something_Smart]

S_S what would your read have been on lilith if she’d entered the game hard shitpushing you?

Null probably, given that she did that to me last time as scum and I townread her for it, so it's completely WIFOM as to whether she'd do it again.

[lilith2013]

u just contradicted urself.
don't make me go read through ur word salad.

where did i contradict myself?

[Firebringer]

Where u at with everyone.

Skitter, lilith, Menalque, maybe A50 are townleans.
Gobble is scum.
Probably among the people who've voted me the vote I've liked the least is Bingle's, I would have expected him to understand why my gobble read flipped rather than just sheeping skitter's reasoning there.

where am i at? Ive basically the same stance as skitter on u. But u haven't really voiced opinions on me.

[Firebringer]

u just contradicted urself.
don't make me go read through ur word salad.

where did i contradict myself?

ugh. don't make me get into a pointless argument.

[lilith2013]

u just contradicted urself.
don't make me go read through ur word salad.

where did i contradict myself?

ugh. don't make me get into a pointless argument.

i don't think it's a pointless argument. you said i contradicted myself. okay, where did i do that? give me a post number, it's not that hard if you actually had the thought that i contradicted myself.

[Something_Smart]

where am i at? Ive basically the same stance as skitter on u. But u haven't really voiced opinions on me.

I mean I don't townread skitter because she scumreads me, so I don't see why you should expect me to have a read on you just because I have one on her.

You have a pretty good track record at reading me, but I also don't think it's a red flag for you to be scumreading me here, partially because you were tunneling me since before I was a major wagon. I don't think you've really done anything else readable in the meantime?

[Firebringer]

i don't think it's a pointless argument. you said i contradicted myself. okay, where did i do that? give me a post number, it's not that hard if you actually had the thought that i contradicted myself.

yes it is.

[Pink Ball]

Who do I have to convince to vote gobble to get this lynch over?

I'll do anything, you tell me, I'm in

[lilith2013]

i don't think it's a pointless argument. you said i contradicted myself. okay, where did i do that? give me a post number, it's not that hard if you actually had the thought that i contradicted myself.

yes it is.

if you genuinely thought i was contradicting myself, it's really not that hard to tell me where you thought that happened.

[Something_Smart]

Who do I have to convince to vote gobble to get this lynch over?

I'll do anything, you tell me, I'm in

The people who aren't voting me, presumably. Blake, A50, PP.

[lilith2013]

i mean it's pretty clear that i'm aligning myself strongly with SS here which is just a stupid move if we're scum together.

Is it an angle you would take if you were scum and I was town?

probably? the tunneling you strategy didn't really work last time because i couldn't find things to scumread you for lol

hey SS did you see my response to this

[Firebringer]

where am i at? Ive basically the same stance as skitter on u. But u haven't really voiced opinions on me.

I mean I don't townread skitter because she scumreads me, so I don't see why you should expect me to have a read on you just because I have one on her.

You have a pretty good track record at reading me, but I also don't think it's a red flag for you to be scumreading me here, partially because you were tunneling me since before I was a major wagon. I don't think you've really done anything else readable in the meantime?

i think its fair for u to have a read on me and skitter because we had the same position. R u not partially basing ur read on skitter in how she reads and formulates one on u? Do u think skitter is just sheeping my opinions here or something?

[Firebringer]

i don't think it's a pointless argument. you said i contradicted myself. okay, where did i do that? give me a post number, it's not that hard if you actually had the thought that i contradicted myself.

yes it is.

if you genuinely thought i was contradicting myself, it's really not that hard to tell me where you thought that happened.

ur being annoying.