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[Datisi]

okay fine

i was gonna respond something along the lines of "i put on a persona only when playing scum, as town my reactions are genuine, do you really not see the difference" and also you legit got my hopes up that my scumgame's improved but if you haven't even read the main thread ISO of the game well alriGHTY THEN

[Something_Smart]

For what it's worth, I think lilith's recent interactions are much closer to how I would expect her to play as scum than her earlier ones were.

[Blake Belladonna]

Hello.

Hi

Hello.

Hi

How you feeling about datisi and mariaR?

Datisi is still town.
MariaR is somebody I don't like to have particularly strong reads on day one.

[Menalque]

What about lilith and SS? Do you think this is possible theatre or not?

[Menalque]

And if it’s not do you still prefer lilith?

[Menalque]

Does anyone know if Maria does play for pocketing people?

[Something_Smart]

Not to my knowledge?

[Datisi]

blake are you purposefully changing your avatars?

[Menalque]

okay fine

i was gonna respond something along the lines of "i put on a persona only when playing scum, as town my reactions are genuine, do you really not see the difference" and also you legit got my hopes up that my scumgame's improved but if you haven't even read the main thread ISO of the game well alriGHTY THEN

Well hey it’s improved to the point that I wasn’t reading it going “lmao how has no one called datisi scum here she’s playing super off her towngame” but then it became hard trying to analyse what was genuinely scummy or not scummy in your posting and I stopped trying because brain tired

Also I do lol but this feels like basically the most you’ve talked to me in days and I appreciate it

[Blake Belladonna]

blake are you purposefully changing your avatars?

No.

I have specific 'subpersonalities' for each of my Blake avatars, and I'm finding that I feel disquieted posting under any of the other ones I've attempted to use.

The way I attempt to express my thoughts do change based on the avatar I'm using.

[Datisi]

okay fine

i was gonna respond something along the lines of "i put on a persona only when playing scum, as town my reactions are genuine, do you really not see the difference" and also you legit got my hopes up that my scumgame's improved but if you haven't even read the main thread ISO of the game well alriGHTY THEN

Well hey it’s improved to the point that I wasn’t reading it going “lmao how has no one called datisi scum here she’s playing super off her towngame” but then it became hard trying to analyse what was genuinely scummy or not scummy in your posting and I stopped trying because brain tired

Also I do lol but this feels like basically the most you’ve talked to me in days and I appreciate it

that lowkey feels like a very backhanded compliment

also you're welcome?

[Blake Belladonna]

What about lilith and SS? Do you think this is possible theatre or not?

And if it’s not do you still prefer lilith?

I do still prefer Lilith.

I have not seen anything that indicates to me that Lilith is town as of this point, still. I'd have to think more about Something_Smart, because I would not normally expect the appeal to emotion that he used earlier. My gut reaction is to townread it, but that falls into a known bias of mine and so I'm very wary to follow through with that.

[Menalque]

blake are you purposefully changing your avatars?

Remember everyone that if someone’s avi changes to a minutely different one during game then datisi is conf!scum

[Blake Belladonna]

My primary fear regarding Something_Smart is that he is the type of player where if you don't go on the initiative towards sorting him while there's room to do so, he has a tendency to fall to the wayside and not be sorted again. This is what I find threatening about his scumgame, but it's also awkward in the sense that he's also not the easiest player to read early on in the game either.

If there was a way to force the game to predicate itself on his alignment being inherently high value to know, this would be solved, but I'm uncertain of how to achieve this at the moment.

[Blake Belladonna]

My primary fear regarding Something_Smart is that he is the type of player where if you don't go on the initiative towards sorting him while there's room to do so, he has a tendency to fall to the wayside and not be sorted again. This is what I find threatening about his scumgame, but it's also awkward in the sense that he's also not the easiest player to read early on in the game either.

If there was a way to force the game to predicate itself on his alignment being inherently high value to know, this would be solved, but I'm uncertain of how to achieve this at the moment.

[Blake Belladonna]

Thanks, Menalque.

[Menalque]

okay fine

i was gonna respond something along the lines of "i put on a persona only when playing scum, as town my reactions are genuine, do you really not see the difference" and also you legit got my hopes up that my scumgame's improved but if you haven't even read the main thread ISO of the game well alriGHTY THEN

Well hey it’s improved to the point that I wasn’t reading it going “lmao how has no one called datisi scum here she’s playing super off her towngame” but then it became hard trying to analyse what was genuinely scummy or not scummy in your posting and I stopped trying because brain tired

Also I do lol but this feels like basically the most you’ve talked to me in days and I appreciate it

that lowkey feels like a very backhanded compliment

also you're welcome?

See we were having a lovely moment and then you take this as a backhanded compliment instead a genuine one because ????

I’m not saying you were bad as scum I’m saying I think I used to (after that first game lmao) pick up on your scum games really effectively (partly bc I was reading them all) and that I wouldn’t have been able to in b&s

That’s just like a straight compliment

Why don’t you ever just shitpost with me anymore

Pedit: ur welcome I went to a lot of effort finding those gifs

[Menalque]

How come you didn’t TR lilith’s AtE then? She did a big load of AtE when I was pushing her as my top scumread which actually did make me think she wasn’t scum after all, although I’m also fucking awful at reading lilith based on reading through her games since she got back onto site and really don’t trust my read on her

[Menalque]

I think this is one of those hard games where scum is actually trying and I would much prefer it if scum could just lie down and let me take a win in my first game back tyvm

[Menalque]

Sidebar: did you make the avatars yourself, Blake?

[Something_Smart]

I'd have to think more about Something_Smart, because I would not normally expect the appeal to emotion that he used earlier.

To be clear, I wasn't trying to appeal to anything. I was just expressing my frustration, but you are right that I don't express emotion like that frequently.

[Blake Belladonna]

How come you didn’t TR lilith’s AtE then? She did a big load of AtE when I was pushing her as my top scumread which actually did make me think she wasn’t scum after all, although I’m also fucking awful at reading lilith based on reading through her games since she got back onto site and really don’t trust my read on her

Because I'm more partial to the way Something_Smart appealed. Pushing back and saying that there isn't a case does nothing for me. Making points about why something they're doing doesn't make sense if they have a red PM is much more convincing to me since that's a common way that I handle wagons on myself. I have a tendency to trust points like that even though it's not inherently the case, which is why I'm not entirely taking that in stride.

[Almost50]

@Blake: My point about Maria staying silent about me announcing I'm targeting her is the strongest point in my view. If I were to say I am targeting Blake tonight, how would you react? Would you say something like "That's fine by me" or "I would rather you didn't announce that in case there's a BD"? Or would you just ignore it and not comment about it? Assuming you're Town in that case, I mean.

Maria didn't even try to engage me -as of yet- and didn't actually engage anyone in any AI manner so far. If she was a PT (thus trying to avoid being a loud voice on D1) she knows well that Scum will most likely target her with something or another tonight for that. Like, if I was Scum and Maria wasn't on my team and I saw her doing practically nothing I would most certainly kill or RB her just to be safe. If there's no JOAT in play killing her N1 seems like the only option though.

Maria's no noob as either alignment and she knows exactly what she's doing and what the consequences are. She also knows it's hard to get her lynched without a hard guilty on her.

The second point is regarding her vote on gobble without saying a thing about S_S (the counterwagon) at all. ISO her. She says she wants gobble or skitter and no mention of S_S (neither positive or negative) at all. That's probably her keeping her options wide open in the future to go back and push S_S (if he is Town) or even bus him (if he is Scum and she needs the towncred to get to endgame).

I mean, I could vote S_S to L-1 and force a claim out of him now if that's what people want me to do, but if S_S is town I think it's best to keep his role for himself.

[Datisi]

okay fine

i was gonna respond something along the lines of "i put on a persona only when playing scum, as town my reactions are genuine, do you really not see the difference" and also you legit got my hopes up that my scumgame's improved but if you haven't even read the main thread ISO of the game well alriGHTY THEN

Well hey it’s improved to the point that I wasn’t reading it going “lmao how has no one called datisi scum here she’s playing super off her towngame” but then it became hard trying to analyse what was genuinely scummy or not scummy in your posting and I stopped trying because brain tired

Also I do lol but this feels like basically the most you’ve talked to me in days and I appreciate it

that lowkey feels like a very backhanded compliment

also you're welcome?

See we were having a lovely moment and then you take this as a backhanded compliment instead a genuine one because ????

I’m not saying you were bad as scum I’m saying I think I used to (after that first game lmao) pick up on your scum games really effectively (partly bc I was reading them all) and that I wouldn’t have been able to in b&s

That’s just like a straight compliment

Why don’t you ever just shitpost with me anymore

Pedit: ur welcome I went to a lot of effort finding those gifs

i love the "after that first game"

maybe (maybe) it was an error on my part but it did kinda feel like it

also sorry i was under the impression that we're having a Serious Sorting Session

[Blake Belladonna]

I'd have to think more about Something_Smart, because I would not normally expect the appeal to emotion that he used earlier.

To be clear, I wasn't trying to appeal to anything. I was just expressing my frustration, but you are right that I don't express emotion like that frequently.

Correct.

I was looking to indicate what I was referring to without having to link it, but it was not precise, no.