Mini 627 - Riverworld Smalltown - Over!!!

[shaft.ed]

Yeah my vote was random.

Also, if I die, is my alignment revealed? I believe so. So a delayed kill late game may be a good idea.

Missed this first time around. What were you getting at here?

[shaft.ed]

I'm hovering between Twomz and Alabaska. I await their upcoming posts with great anticipation.

FoS: Twomz and Alabaska J

CyberBob, what happened to this. You very quickly drop suspicion derived from this incident of both players.


@Twomz, Would you describe you meta as 1) Jokey as town, 2) Jokey as scum or 3) Jokey regardless of alignment?

[M4yhem]

Please also note my other point about having been on the iamausername wagon for longer than the Pug wagon has existed.

Irrelevant.

Also - going back to the bit you quoted again - you have failed to outline why it is not something a townie would not do.

Also irrelevant.

[shaft.ed]

Inventor should consider gifting players with no other night-action (double-lifer, double-voter), but how much you trust any given player should also factor into the bargain (especially when using the OSNKI)

I seriously don't get this. It's actually quite detrimental to have the inventor gift players who normally wouldn't have a night target because it muddies what would normall be 100% clear night targeting information from watchers and trackers. Remember this one if Winter or Alabaska come up as scum.

[armlx]

Note to Claus. If you absorb the Jailkeep ability in the night and the jailkeeper ends up dead, I think it may be best if you don't tell anyone that you received the power.

QFT.

Also, stop BMing the thread.

[shaft.ed]

I think No Lynch should be used unless we have a good candidate for a lynch, if only because it allows everyone to generate more of a record of who is using their powers for good and who is using them for evil. I would prefer a lynch, however, if only because in the process of chasing it we will generate more discussion.

Where the hell is this coming from Hermit?

My support of this wagon has shifted from null to interested.

armlx this was clearly a major point of discussion. Why are accusing Hermit of pulling it out of the blue?

[Twomz]

I'm hovering between Twomz and Alabaska. I await their upcoming posts with great anticipation.

FoS: Twomz and Alabaska J

CyberBob, what happened to this. You very quickly drop suspicion derived from this incident of both players.


@Twomz, Would you describe you meta as 1) Jokey as town, 2) Jokey as scum or 3) Jokey regardless of alignment?

3) Although I tend to play more seriously as scum for some reason.

If there's an opportunity for a joke I'll take it.

And I know someone asked me something, but I need to look back and find it >.< I'm busy playing DC++ right now :O.

[armlx]

armlx this was clearly a major point of discussion. Why are accusing Hermit of pulling it out of the blue?

He wasn't, but given his previous statements on the topic I felt it was a 180 just to concur with the majority.

[shaft.ed]

Pug hasn't contributed a whole lot. I'm also concerned about how freely he asked for advice on how to use his night action. Sounds like, "Hey guys, what would be the most townie thing for me to do?"

Vote: Pug89

Now that I've got your attention, any thoughts on recent goings-on?

This actually was a rather reliable town tell in my previous small town experience.

[armlx]

This actually was a rather reliable town tell in my previous small town experience.

Link plz? Or was it IRC?

[shaft.ed]

Pug hasn't contributed a whole lot. I'm also concerned about how freely he asked for advice on how to use his night action. Sounds like, "Hey guys, what would be the most townie thing for me to do?"

Or I don't want to squander my abilities since they are only one-shots and I wanted other opinions. I haven't made a decision yet. I will keep the suggestions in mind but I'm ultimately going to make my own decision. I feel this is an extremely weak excuse. I don't like it that you are discouraging discussion of night actions. Obviously the final decision shouldn't be posted in thread, but discussion could help the town.

Vote: TheHermit

I am having a very, very hard time reading Claus. Are all PR roles like this? Right now I'm just hoping he's not scum, because I don't know how I'm going to catch him if he is.

This is a very good point, but we still have his votes and any night actions he may absorb later in the game.[/b]

I don't like this post. Not sure why, though.

Pug voted for almost the exact reasons you gave.

Asking for questions about your night choice is NOT scummy. That post seems like scum trying to start a lurker wagon for very bad reasons IMO.

unvote, vote: TheHermit.

What's not to like?

[shaft.ed]

This actually was a rather reliable town tell in my previous small town experience.

Link plz? Or was it IRC?

Heroes smalltown. Both YvonneSeer and Oman asked for advice on who they should be targeting, if I recall correctly. Oman was town and got lynched partially for saying such. Yvonne was town and received some pressure as well.

[shaft.ed]

armlx this was clearly a major point of discussion. Why are accusing Hermit of pulling it out of the blue?

He wasn't, but given his previous statements on the topic I felt it was a 180 just to concur with the majority.

I thought his explanation was rather thorough (ie he was more attacking the

random

No Lynch vote, he was not endorsing or pushing for a No Lynch, and there were further arguments for the No Lynch option).

[shaft.ed]

unvote, FoS: TheHermit, vote: W!nt3r

His play seems like he's actively lurking and his last post wasn't really to my liking. Unfounded arguments? Everyone has posted reasons. I understand where he is coming as a double voter, but he seems to be too cautious. I would suggest FoSing the people you would vote for instead of voting for them because of your ability if you are not comfortable slapping on votes, but just because you need to be careful about your voting doesn't mean you have to hide in the shadows and only contribute when some rock hard evidence that someone is scum has been magically produced. His play, overall, seems fairly scummy to me, and more so than TheHermit's at this point.

Why did you back down from your Hermit vote so quickly? Too much pressure?

[armlx]

Heroes smalltown. Both YvonneSeer and Oman asked for advice on who they should be targeting, if I recall correctly. Oman was town and got lynched partially for saying such. Yvonne was town and received some pressure as well.

Fair nuff.

I thought his explanation was rather thorough (ie he was more attacking the random No Lynch vote, he was not endorsing or pushing for a No Lynch, and there were further arguments for the No Lynch option).

Clearly we have opposing views of the situation.

Again, 1 large post > many medium ones. Don't be BM.

[shaft.ed]

Alabaska's alignment is something we should determine... but if he is town, what is the point in destroying his endgame power? Same goes with Winter. Both roles would be awesome if they were town and ridiculously bad endgame if they were scum. And unlike other roles in the game, they have no ability to "check" to make sure they're not lying or faking.

And as long as alabaska is around, shaft.ed has a good place to hide (although, the point is moot of shaft.ed is scum... /shrug).

I don't really like this. Note possibility of Twomz and Alabaska being aligned. (Yes Rishi I know Open 44)

[shaft.ed]

Heroes smalltown. Both YvonneSeer and Oman asked for advice on who they should be targeting, if I recall correctly. Oman was town and got lynched partially for saying such. Yvonne was town and received some pressure as well.

Fair nuff.

I thought his explanation was rather thorough (ie he was more attacking the random No Lynch vote, he was not endorsing or pushing for a No Lynch, and there were further arguments for the No Lynch option).

Clearly we have opposing views of the situation.

Again, 1 large post > many medium ones. Don't be BM.

I'm really sorry about this but I'm short on time and this is the best way to get all my points down. Also almost none of these are related to one another.

[armlx]

I'm really sorry about this but I'm short on time and this is the best way to get all my points down. Also almost none of these are related to one another.

I guess fair enough. It just aggravates me to no end though b/c every time BM does it its all in response to one person's posts....

[shaft.ed]

OK did a full reread.

During the reread I was not liking Twomz the most. Then I meta'd him. He does seem to contribute heavier as scum than town. I do get a feeling he may be linked to Alabaska given a couple interactions, but I don't think he's all that lynch worthy ATM.

Alabaska was rubbing me wrong most of the day. I actually found his weird Mayhem reaction to be rather town indicative, though that could be a too scummy fallacy. I would not mind an Alabaska lynch.

Rishi has been floating by pretty much unnoticed all day. He jumps onto the Pug wagon early, with reasons that could be applied to quite a few players in this game. Do not like Rishis. I would not mind a Rishi lynch.

Mayhem. Winter did not impress me much one way or another. Mayhem came in rather strong and pushed hard on Pug. While I do think some points of his case have merit (hell I think I made a couple of them myself) his drive is rather interesting to me. Also pushing out a Cop/Doc role on day 1 would be a huge score for scum. I'm a bit worried about Mayhem, though I don't know if I'd be willing to lynch him today, though would support it if given the choice between him and the leading contender for a lynch Pug.

Pug. I have made quite a few points against Pug myself. I do feel his play is rather lackluster, but I'm not quite sure why he's been singled out. I also think his role could give quite a bit of information to the town tonight regardless of alignment. He has a Cop ability, if he's scum will he send that over to a scummate? Will he send it to the kill target or someone that is safe? I personally think it would be in our best interest to test him tonight and reconsider him tommorow. I thus do not support a Pug lynch. As I have said earlier his wagon has been much to simple with very little resistance.

I'm not getting a read either way on iamausernmane, Cyberbob or The Hermit. A couple things earlier in the day stuck out on CyberBob, but besides that I don't really recall much of anything significant either way. Of the three I'd consider a deadline Cyberbob lynch but do not see great reasons for it.

Claus is at the top of my town list for now. He seems to be putting in more effort than needed if scum given his PR.

Nab and armlx are two that I'm worried about but am getting a leaning town read on. They've both been active and contributing. Their cases are rather solid for the most part. armlx's vote for Pug out of desire to avoid a No Lynch is sensible.

Anyway I'm left with a bit of a conundrum. The people I'm suspicious of have few or no votes on them. If Alabaska were lynched we'd get no alignment reveal, and the leading wagon is one I'm not all that fond of.

Anyway for now

unvote, vote: Alabaska J

I'd most like to see a Rishi lynch but don't have time to put a case together at the moment.

[Cyberbob]

I'm hovering between Twomz and Alabaska. I await their upcoming posts with great anticipation.

FoS: Twomz and Alabaska J

CyberBob, what happened to this. You very quickly drop suspicion derived from this incident of both players.

Twomz's response seemed shaky, but vaguely understandable - mostly because I saw nothing to indicate that his reasoning for the continuation of the vote-conga-line was anything other than lollery (and I know I'd find it hard to resist doing something like that simply for laughs). Alabaska's response struck me as reasonable, if a little over-reactive. I saw where he was coming from with regards to the thinness of your vote, but I wasn't so sure that it was deserving of a vote. It wasn't enough to warrant voting Alabaska over it, however.

[Cyberbob]

EBWOP:

Please also note my other point about having been on the iamausername wagon for longer than the Pug wagon has existed.

Irrelevant.

Also - going back to the bit you quoted again - you have failed to outline why it is not something a townie would not do.

Also irrelevant.

LMAO.

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count

(Page 21, Day 1)

Pug89

- 6 (M4yhem, Rishi, armlx, Alabaska J, Twomz)

iamausername

- 2 (Cyberbob, Claus)

Alabaska J

- 2 (NabakovNabakovob, shafted )

TheHermit

- 1 (Pug89)

Twomz

- 1 (iamausername)

NabakovNabakovob

- 1 (TheHermit)

Not Voting:

Note: Deadline August 6th, 8:00 PM EST. With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch, 6 is a no lynch.

[M4yhem]

Shafted- your defense of pug seems to be based on his role being useful. If he's scum, his role is irrelevant.

Also, meta me; I'm always a pushy, opinionated little bastard.

[Cyberbob]

Also, meta me; I'm always a pushy, opinionated little bastard.

I don't have to meta you to figure that one out. >_>

[armlx]

Also, meta me; I'm always a pushy, opinionated little bastard.

I don't have to meta you to figure that one out. >_>

QFT to both.

Would still rather have an alignment reveal going into night.