Fredrick A Campbell's Mini Normal Review, June 2020
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you don't have to phrase anything, you're literally just supposed to return those category names. so for instance, if the follower targets the neapolitan, you would say "Your target performed a Role Investigation action". and you can verbatim copy what i wrote earlier to put in your role PM- northsidegal
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(the usage of the word "literally" there might come across as harsh but that's not my intention, just trying to be clear)- Fredrick A Campbell
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Corrected the motion detector's PM to account for its indecisive nature.
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i don't like how you have follower worded. a plausible reading of it could interpret it as implying a yes or no response – that is, the way you have it worded ("You will discover if that player did x y or z"), a plausible response could be "Yes, player did x y or z" when that's not how the role works.
i really think you should word it pretty much exactly "You will discover what type of action the player performed that night, if any, from the following categories: {Commute, Blocking, Jailkeep, Protection, Miscellaneous, Kill, Role Investigation, Action Investigation}".7- Fredrick A Campbell
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Now that you mention it, it could indeed be interpreted that way. Let's correct that.In post 31, northsidegal wrote:i don't like how you have follower worded. a plausible reading of it could interpret it as implying a yes or no response – that is, the way you have it worded ("You will discover if that player did x y or z"), a plausible response could be "Yes, player did x y or z" when that's not how the role works.
i really think you should word it pretty much exactly "You will discover what type of action the player performed that night, if any, from the following categories: {Commute, Blocking, Jailkeep, Protection, Miscellaneous, Kill, Role Investigation, Action Investigation}".7
Spoiler: Role PMs
Postscript: The follower only knows what actions were performed on the night they followed the player, not what actions the player can perform, right?- mastina
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In the mafia role PMs, this implies only two groupscum. If you want to keep the number of scum ambiguous, just add an '(s)' to it, to make it,You and your partner share a
"You and your partner(s)".- Fredrick A Campbell
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My mistake. Not my intention to keep it ambiguous. I've made some minor changes to the wordings for all of the mafia's PT.In post 33, mastina wrote:
In the mafia role PMs, this implies only two groupscum. If you want to keep the number of scum ambiguous, just add an '(s)' to it, to make it,You and your partner share a
"You and your partner(s)".
Spoiler: Role PMs- Fredrick A Campbell
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As for the ruleset I'm planning to use, I will get back to you tomorrow. I have had permission to copy it at 0300 GMT and had been working on it when I had been on site.In post 16, northsidegal wrote:There are a few things:
I'll need to see the rules that you're planning on using.
I'll need to see your role PMs for these roles (I can help you with this if you want)
I need to see all the potential night result PMs that might be sent out
As for example PT results, I will make a post on it whether or not you say you need it tomorrow, if I have the time.- Fredrick A Campbell
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Prescript: The part of the role PM in bracket will not be included in the role PM but is just there for clarification of the circumstances in which the role PM is received.
Spoiler: Results PM
Postscript: I have proofread it this time and have found one error which I have now corrected. (I gave the follower "Your target did not go anywhere." instead of "Your target did not do anything.") If you find more errors, I'm sure you will tell me since this is a review and this is actually a pointless sentence.- Fredrick A Campbell
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- – My mod colour isMod colour. You may use it. I will not edit any player's posts.FF6600
- - This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will hand you over to the authorities (list mods). Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself lynched if you try it.Behaviour
- - You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.Don't talk about ongoing games
- - may be difficult for players with myopia and hyperopia to read. Please keep its size above 80.Tiny text
- - is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a die or some dice or used random.org is fine, using dice tags or quoting from random.org is not.Provable randomness
- - is forbidden in any form. Breadcrumbing is okay.Cryptography
- - You have about 48 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.Confirmation
- - You must post at least once every 48 hours in the game thread during the day phase or I will prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for the night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night. If you accumulate 4 prods, you will be force replaced.Activity
- - If you have failed to confirm your role or have not posted within 24 hours after you have been given a prod, I will seek a replacement. If I have not announced the replacement in thread, you may stay. If I have announced the replacement in thread, you may not stay.Replacements
- - The first day begins when the game starts. The other days begin after the night is over. Days last 14 days (168 hours).Days
- - Nights last at least 48 hours. If every player replies to the night start PM with "fast night" or any of its variants, I will end the night phase prematurely. If a player does not send me such a PM, I will not do so.Nights
- If you need to be absent for more than 48 hours, you should declare V/LA in bold in the thread like this:Vacation/Limited Access@Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday. While you are V/LA, you be prodded once every 72 hours.
- - You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication. Paraphrasing the contents of these is fine.Quoting
- - Votes must be in bold in the formatVotingVOTE: Fredrick A CampbellorVote: Fredrick A Campbell. Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks.
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- - Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to lynch somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no lynch, the day will end without a lynch. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no lynch.Lynching
- - Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.Twilight
- - You may submit actions via PM. As scum, you have the option of sending me a PM or using the PT. If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the night phase is over.Action submissions
- - If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.Reminders
- - Let me know if you want a private thread to store your thoughts and feedback for the other players. This thread will be made public immediately after the game. You may draft posts in your notes PT but you may not talk about your notes PT in public. You definitely may not use the notes PT to demonstrate that you've had a town mindset in private all along; just put your town mindset in public to begin with and keep your notes to yourself.Notes Private Threads
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Those result PMs seem fine except you're missing a Tracker "Your target visited nobody" result (which is not the same as "action failed").
Your rules need to have a sample VT role PM in them. Apart from that I didn't notice any problems.- Fredrick A Campbell
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- – My mod colour isMod colour. You may use it. I will not edit any player's posts.FF6600
- - This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will hand you over to the authorities (list mods). Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself lynched if you try it.Behaviour
- - You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.Don't talk about ongoing games
- - may be difficult for players with myopia and hyperopia to read. Please keep its size above 80.Tiny text
- - is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a die or some dice or used random.org is fine, using dice tags or quoting from random.org is not.Provable randomness
- - is forbidden in any form. Breadcrumbing is okay.Cryptography
- - You have about 48 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.Confirmation
- - You must post at least once every 48 hours in the game thread during the day phase or I will prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for the night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night. If you accumulate 4 prods, you will be force replaced.Activity
- - If you have failed to confirm your role or have not posted within 24 hours after you have been given a prod, I will seek a replacement. If I have not announced the replacement in thread, you may stay. If I have announced the replacement in thread, you may not stay.Replacements
- - The first day begins when the game starts. The other days begin after the night is over. Days last 14 days (168 hours).Days
- - Nights last at least 48 hours. If every player replies to the night start PM with "fast night" or any of its variants, I will end the night phase prematurely. If a player does not send me such a PM, I will not do so.Nights
- If you need to be absent for more than 48 hours, you should declare V/LA in bold in the thread like this:Vacation/Limited Access@Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday. While you are V/LA, you be prodded once every 72 hours.
- - You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication. Paraphrasing the contents of these is fine.Quoting
- - Votes must be in bold in the formatVotingVOTE: Fredrick A CampbellorVote: Fredrick A Campbell. Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks.
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- - Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to lynch somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no lynch, the day will end without a lynch. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no lynch.Lynching
- - Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.Twilight
- - You may submit actions via PM. As scum, you have the option of sending me a PM or using the PT. If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the night phase is over.Action submissions
- - If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.Reminders
- - Let me know if you want a private thread to store your thoughts and feedback for the other players. This thread will be made public immediately after the game. You may draft posts in your notes PT but you may not talk about your notes PT in public. You definitely may not use the notes PT to demonstrate that you've had a town mindset in private all along; just put your town mindset in public to begin with and keep your notes to yourself.Notes Private Threads
- - this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!Play to win
Postscript: Sample VT Role PM added.- northsidegal
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As far as I know you don't need one, but if you'd like one and you think you might need one then it's a good idea, I suppose. I think it's a good idea for any first-time mod, personally.- Fredrick A Campbell
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I am starting to wonder if this setup is too town-sided.In post 13, northsidegal wrote:...
Town Neapolitan
Town Tracker
Town Follower
Town Psychologist
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Mafia Commuter
Mafia Indecisive Motion Detector
Mafia Goon
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i'd say probably not. tracker and follower are both high-skew (aka skill-intensive) roles that aren't really guaranteed to get anything useful, and psychologist is basically useless. on the flip side, the motion detector is sort of like half of a vanilla cop. (i actually really like mafia indecisive motion detector as a role because you can't investigate someone twice in a row to check if a positive motion detect was due to their role or them being targeted, and with the combination of the mafia commuter it means that the mafia can't just use it on themselves to see if anyone targets them)
if anything, i would say that this setup probably leans scumsided.- northsidegal
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I'm starting to work on a second setup, not for this game, a future game.In post 48, northsidegal wrote:what made you start thinking that? - Fredrick A Campbell
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