Micro 948: Noughts and Crosses Blitz [Game over!]

[GuiltyLion]

(Because if the 5p has Guilty Lion in it I hope he would be lynched)

also

can you give an updated reason on why you think I am scum?

Like, we're well beyond my page 2 pushes which you considered reachy, what about the rest of my play since then has reinforced your scumread?

[Clover Ebi]

I'm pretty sure one of beeboy/Clover Ebi is scum here

Why? I get you're a fan of the one sentence typing due to our last game Dunnstral but a bit more would be helpful here.

They probably push Guiltylion next

You mean the person I've been calling scum for the entire game? Yeah probably.

Blair has made exact posts I would've made before I did. I just agree with a lot of her thought process and like the way she's handling the game.

this feels like a really bad reason to townread someone

Why is townreading someone who has the same thought process as you bad?

(Because if the 5p has Guilty Lion in it I hope he would be lynched)

also

can you give an updated reason on why you think I am scum?

Like, we're well beyond my page 2 pushes which you considered reachy, what about the rest of my play since then has reinforced your scumread?

What about my read needs updating? It wasn't just page 2 pushes and during our interaction you didn't say much that would make me change my scumread on you. I don't see what part needs updating. You made about *checks* 20 posts after we were done talking and not all of them even were content worthy. Now you're talking about how scum are trying to set you up. I don't get what posts you've made that make it so I should change my read on you.

[Clover Ebi]

Day 1 should be our most productive day, only 2 people are tricking us and yet I feel the only thing we've really agreed on is lynching in the corners. And even that still feels rather messy because we should even more unified in this since. I think if the choice is between Dunnstral and Beeboy Dunnstral is the better lynch here due to his lack of reasoning on most of his posts. It feels like he's just making up reads on the spot to better fit the narrative.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Kanna vote on GL is the worst thing I've ever seen. CSF has failed to explain.

What do you think I need to explain?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

They probably push Guiltylion next

I'm not really seeing this tbh. Looks like I'm on the chopping block tomorrow

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What about my read needs updating? It wasn't just page 2 pushes and during our interaction you didn't say much that would make me change my scumread on you. I don't see what part needs updating. You made about *checks* 20 posts after we were done talking and not all of them even were content worthy. Now you're talking about how scum are trying to set you up. I don't get what posts you've made that make it so I should change my read on you.

What did you think of his reassessment of his push on you?

[Clover Ebi]

Wait did he mean that as in tomorrow. That is a baseless assumption! I mean, at first I was leaning wanting Dunnstral dead so I could be a little selfish and have options on wanting to push Guilty but that was only for like, five minutes at best. Then I went back to just wanting to kill the bottom row.
pedit: I would've felt better about it if he reassessed it sooner. It could be genuine of course but if you look back he only committed to said townread after other people expressed a townread on me. He did say he'd reconsider but that's a middle ground that can go either way. I suppose I'll have to wait and see how strong that townread holds up day 2.

[maxwell]

They probably push Guiltylion next

I'm not really seeing this tbh. Looks like I'm on the chopping block tomorrow

I'd be voting you right now if I thought it made sense tactically. Actually might run the scenarios for that when I get a chance.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

mfw everyone wants to nuke the bottom row

[Cat Scratch Fever]

They probably push Guiltylion next

I'm not really seeing this tbh. Looks like I'm on the chopping block tomorrow

I'd be voting you right now if I thought it made sense tactically. Actually might run the scenarios for that when I get a chance.

Remind me why you're scumreading me?

[Clover Ebi]

I wonder if I value fairness too much in mafia games. I was just thinking how Dunnstral saying Beeboy/Me pushing Guilty is unfair/baseless because we've both expressed interest in wanting him dead so if we do vote him the next day it'll probably come off as 'odd' due to the day before. However I didn't realize in my own head I was about to do the same thing to Guilty where if he start to scumread me day 2 I would want his death even more because I would expect scum Guilty to retract that scumread. Yet, there's no real for me to believe Town guilty can't change his mind either.

Dunnstral say Beeboy is lynched today what row are you going for?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Not impressed with Cat Scratch Fever's entry posts at all. Feel like random selections of posts to comment on, no real insight, riding off of things other people say. Doesn't improve my view of the slot at all.

This? I don't feel the need to repeat what other people say when I replace in, and I think I've made my reads clear soon enough after I replaced in. I don't think people need to come up with an original reason to scumread someone. Why is it scummy to agree with someone else on a read?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Gl, why don't you think Clover and Blair are SvS?

Blair what are your thoughts on beeboy/dunnstral?

[T-Bone]

With 24 hours left, if you're town you really need to start outing reads fast.

I mean it isn't that easy.
It's not about lynching 1 player.

It's about picking the best set of 3 to kill all at once.

I vibe with this 100%

Back to being unsure as to who I actually want to be lynched now!

[T-Bone]

Why do you dislike my vote on maxwell?

And my slot did vote guiltylion earlier but I’d prefer to lynch max and failing that, the beeboy slot today

Because you expressed no reasoning that I can see for the vote (saying 'let's start with it') while it is conveniently the best vote for you from a survivability stand point. You "started" with it, but where did you go from there?

[T-Bone]

@T-bone

I moved my vote from Dunnstral to another corner because Dunnstral's paranoia pinged townie to me. Context is key in this case - not much had happened yet. It would be disingenuous to conflate the reason I moved my vote with the reason I am still voting for Maxwell now - which is well documented and I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing it.

I know your reasonings after the fact. I was taking that vote in isolation and comparing it to other votes in isolation. And also comparing the wagon at that point. Town or scum, you recognize that for survivability that maxwell is your best vote, right?

[T-Bone]

Okay. Celeste gets NKed because it is pointless to speculate otherwise.

Maxwell is lynched means T-Bone vs Clover. In order to lynch Maxwell here, he has to be scum, otherwise this nearly guarantees 5p LyLo.

Lynching beeboy means T-Bone vs. CSF. Which, while I think CSF is more likely to be scum than Clover at this point, is not ideal from my perspective for obvious reasons.

Lynching GuiltyLion means Clover vs Blair. This is interesting pairing. I townread Clover...I don't know how I feel about Blair anymore, but probably would want to test her more to see how viable as scum she is.

Lynching Dunnstral means Blair vs. CSF. Which is ideal from my perspective. Dunn and CSF are my two strongest scumreads. They are a possible pair, but that hinges on getting beeboy lynched today and me lynched tomorrow.

Right now beeboy is at L-1. Meaning that we lynch either CSF or myself tomorrow. We already know where Maxwell's comfort level is on this. Presumably Dunnstral is going to prefer my lynch. GuiltyLion, are you okay with this?

(yes I know we could lynch another corner as well meaning it's actually a 3-way tomorrow, but for all intents and purposes it would result in the same sets of deaths)

[beeboy]

So I think I am dying, I honestly don't care if I die because the bottom row has 2 wolf reads of mine. I doubt the scum team is Dunnstral + Cat, but I do see one of them flipping scum incredibly often.

But my dying legacy is going to be as follows.

I think Maxells opening is from town. To expand on my last post. He misses day 1 RVS comes back and proclaims "This game isn't for memeing and setup discussion is important and I had nothing to add" it's an incredibly odd post and I think that's a point in his favor actually when looking at follow up? Given town make weird posts and scum try and put less words to avoid making weird posts. His posts are all wall heavy analysis posts so his seriousness section of the post is 100% believable and consistent with how he approaches the game. In addition he has stayed consistent in terms of not actually thinking of strategy and letting other people do it.

For most people an opening post like that hits the ignore button in the back of your mind and is never looked at again. So staying so incredibly consistent with a bunch of weird things stated in post 1 just seems odd. I know Max apparently started playing mafia 9 years ago so he could be this titan of great mafia play on certain levels but idk not feeling him being scum.

[T-Bone]

Put my phantom vote on GuiltyLion for the moment.

[beeboy]

Note using this strategy we lose our 5p left selection as we need to stop scums selection.

So lynch Dunnstral and let mafia kill CSF if you want to kill Max (bad idea)
Or lynch CSF and let mafia kill Dunnstral if you want to kill Ebi (honestly not amazing either but better to me)

So technically we are committing to killing a set of 4 not 3 if you look very far ahead. But I still like forcing scums kill as we are going to be forced to lynch in a specific way day 5 regardless, at least we can pick our own poison this way.

[beeboy]

Note using this strategy we lose our 5p left selection as we need to stop scums tic tac toe victory

So lynch Dunnstral and let mafia kill CSF if you want to kill Max (bad idea)
Or lynch CSF and let mafia kill Dunnstral if you want to kill Ebi (honestly not amazing either but better to me)

So technically we are committing to killing a set of 4 not 3 if you look very far ahead. But I still like forcing scums kill as we are going to be forced to lynch in a specific way day 5 regardless, at least we can pick our own poison this way.

err I meant tic tac toe victory over the 2nd selection. silly me.

[T-Bone]

We're essentially creating two pairs of lovers day 2. That's important. 3 essentially become unlynchable.

[beeboy]

EXAMPLE PLEASE IGNORE




No possible outcome isn't just a corner f3 right?
So shouldn't we be thinking about the best looking corner right now instead of best line to kill

[beeboy]

These are the 2 outcomes, adjust for your preferred lynch I am just demonstrating what happens

[beeboy]

#272 was an example, but it does involve all my scum reads dying....

VOTE: Dunnstral