Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[Gypyx]

theoretically hoopla should be chill with this wagon since prana is not very active.

prana was my second suspect after una, so while one part of me is happy to have another viable lynching option, i'm finding the composition of the speedwagon highly questionable;

bob, cooldog, notscience, flippy, una, battle mage

^this was prana's wagon at its peak. i literally feel nauseous just looking at it. there's possibly two scum there, maybe even three if prana is town.

myself and klick have found prana scummy throughout the day, so we have a majority there, if we want it.

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i feel like for prana to be scum, he is being bussed by both members, or i have some crucial reads wrong. he could easily be an easy mislynch target, scum are trying to capitalise on in the haze of deadline chaos. if this is true (prana-town), i'd be highly suspicious of the wagon. if he's scum, i see una as one of the top picks for his buddy, so combinatorally, i still favour una as scum, as he makes sense as scum in both prana-town/prana-scum universes.

you're saying that in a world of both prana / una scum, scum would make the lynch go from one of thier members to another?

[UnaBombaH]

Yea, I got caught in the moment instead of processing it through.
But I get your PoV.

The actual problem we have here, is that I still disagree with your reads.
You seem to think the wagon is scum-driven, while I'm starting to think the only potential busser on the wagon might've been CoolDog.
Why though?
Well, they've started to ping me more and more as scum as the day has gone forward, but furthermore - check Pranas latest post.
Their "retaliation" towards CoolDog might just as well be scum trying to fork over some distance.

Meaning that I feel quite good about lynching Prana today, and IF they flip town, at least we can both agree that there's almost certainly scum on the wagon, right?

[Gypyx]

also watcher claim, i think that's a powerful role, is it common for scum to claim high power roles like that?

[Hoopla]

also watcher claim, i think that's a powerful role, is it common for scum to claim high power roles like that?

during certain cycles of meta, scum would often fakeclaim big daddy roles like Cop/Watcher to either out town's big PR or to dissuade town's from lynching them. i'd describe that as the most common D1 fakeclaim tactic in the 2010-2014 metagame i grew up on. these days, every other role has some kind of modification - at least in the mini normal's i've read over the last two years, which has altered fakeclaiming strategy. flippy's role, perversely enough, is stereotypical of the current mod meta. prana's claim i associate more with my era of play - which is when he was most active too.

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if anyone wants to do any further reading on prana's scum mindset, here's a link to the scum QT of his last scumgame. coincidentally, he was helping coach an inexperienced teammate come up with fakeclaims for her JOAT role;

Reckon a JOAT claim should have cop/vig shot/roleblock

I'm creating the massive post I said i would atm, should I try and crumb in there?

Vig and roleblock yes, cop no. Would be a bit weird, maybe vig,

watcher

, tracker?

this isn't a slamdunk gotcha, but the fact he's quite thoughtful about the fakeclaiming process (if you read through the thread), and watchers were a big part of the cultural zeitgeist we grew up in, i see it as more likely this claim is fabricated.

a fakeclaim dredged up from the subconscious of a simpler time - a time before these zany mods turned things upside down.

[brassherald]

Vote Count Day 1.18

Prana Devil (6):

bob3141, CooLDoG, Emperor flippyNips, UnaBombaH, notscience, Battle Mage

gobbledygook (3):

AGar, Gypyx, Hiraki

UnaBombaH (3):

gobbledygook, Hoopla, Klick

Hoopla (1):

PranaDevil

There are (expired on 2020-06-17 06:05:00) remaining in Day 1
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.[/area]
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[PranaDevil]

Some nice reaching there Hoopla.

No shock scum would want the Watcher lynched though.

[Hoopla]

answer this, mr. watcher:

why did you wait until post 214 to breadcrumb?

[PranaDevil]

Because it took until then to remember I should breadcrumb.

Any more stupid questions scum?

[PranaDevil]

Also, if I'm lynched... pay attention to Flippy's claim being believed instantly and heat being off quickly, while with me... it's kept on.

That is not a coincidence in the slightest.

[Hoopla]

Any more stupid questions scum?

do you feel guilty for deceiving our humble, little town for 45+ pages?

[PranaDevil]

Any more stupid questions scum?

do you feel guilty for deceiving our humble, little town for 45+ pages?

"No" = "Ahh so you don't feel guilty because you're scum"
"Yes" = "Ahh so you're scum"

A question where you set it up to make out you are somehow town, when you are clearly scum.

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

I do not see the benefit of lynching prana today in light of the claim.

Either he is town and we lose a pr or he is scum and we will have better info to determine that in later days.

If he is scum it also prevents another scum from easily fake claiming as well.

So at best a pran lynch is neutral today. At worst we kill town pr.

[notscience]

Hi bob, we understand your concern. However, hoopla has some valid points regarding it.

I do not understand your fakeclaiming point- however I raise you this

You were the first person to actively seek out to Lynch this scumfuck. He didn’t crumb in his very first post and I don’t particularly buy his whole I forgot malarkey.

I think he told me earlier someone played with him recently

whoever played with prana recently I have a question

How did he crumb if he was a pr/react to revealed crumbs?

[Hoopla]

@bob

prana is a sophisticated enough player to know a VT claim there gets lynched. how do you expect to lynch scum on D1 without risking possibly losing a town PR?

drats, my unerring egalitarian principles. if only i had the courage to lolhammer scum when it was an option - town's reactions be damned!

[gobbledygook]

Let’s kill Battle Mage if Una isn’t happening?

[gobbledygook]

I would really like to not hammer while I’m still rereading

[notscience]

Hey last minute wagons are my forte turkey get in line

He’s probably the bus vote but still

[Klick]

Lynching Prana today would be a terrible play and I shouldn't have to explain why. Everyone get on either Una or gobble while we still have time.

[notscience]

Klick I’m loading up my computer to respond to your big post I just got up and no hangover boys

[Klick]

Yeet

I shouldn't have to backup Prana here but it sounds like a scary amount of people are actually considering just... lynching him anyway

[Hoopla]

Lynching Prana today would be a terrible play and I shouldn't have to explain why. Everyone get on either Una or gobble while we still have time.

explain it to me like i'm a 5 year old

nice and slow

[notscience]

I feel like you should understand where I’m coming from at the very least

[bob3141]

I would want to leave prana till tommorrow and see what he claims his results are.

More flips will leave us better informed of how likely his role is


If he is scum i would rather pick out for today someone who could be his partner

[notscience]

Battlemage is the bus vote imo

[bob3141]

also watcher claim, i think that's a powerful role, is it common for scum to claim high power roles like that?

how about a flash wagon on gyp


VOTE: Gyp


His interactions with the prana claim makes me feel he knows if it is true or not