Mini Normal 2148 (Post Game)

[stungun0404]

Votato, I am going to sort through your meta to see if I confirm what you said about your activity levels.

In the meantime, would you be willing to vote geriantm?

[stungun0404]

Reason I ask is I am willing to go there, but it seems like there is a lack of push, and that makes it difficult to get anything going there.

[votato]

uh id have to take a quick look back over the ISO and your(?) case, but i think so. you want me to do that?

my scumgames are animals upick (probably not that helpful since i was caught super early and hardbussed by the whole scumteam), and micro 938: butterfly mafia.
newbie 2006 is a game where i lurked and basically got killed for it as town. there are others but id have to go look to see which ones they are.

[stungun0404]

Yeah, at the moment that is the only wagon which I would really like switching to.

[farside22]

mala or bob, with me leaning towards bob

I'm thinking NS is scum on that wagon.

Votato's play reminds me a lot of the large normal that just finished, where he reads scummy as hell but his reads are just wrong. Can't say I'm a fan of the new play style. I much preferred Gun's and Roses mafia and of course Animal Mafia where he was just plain scum and got lucky that his scum buddy got him out of being lynched day 1.

So my top 2 scum reads are Dunn/NS. Still debating on who the 3rds scum is but those 2 are my strongest ones.

[votato]

mala or bob, with me leaning towards bob

I'm thinking NS is scum on that wagon.

Votato's play reminds me a lot of the large normal that just finished, where he reads scummy as hell but his reads are just wrong. Can't say I'm a fan of the new play style. I much preferred Gun's and Roses mafia and of course Animal Mafia where he was just plain scum and got lucky that his scum buddy got him out of being lynched day 1.

So my top 2 scum reads are Dunn/NS. Still debating on who the 3rds scum is but those 2 are my strongest ones.

most of my very early reads in GnR were wrong (remember how we had a big TvT fight?)
it was only later in the game where i figured out what was going on. same with the large normal. there i did have some good early reads, but it was only later where i really figured much out. and im not claiming that i have strong reads here. thats why im hesitant to share them. i could easily be dead wrong here. but im not trying to lead any wagons or push aggressively yet.

[votato]

mala or bob, with me leaning towards bob

I'm thinking NS is scum on that wagon.

Votato's play reminds me a lot of the large normal that just finished, where he reads scummy as hell but his reads are just wrong. Can't say I'm a fan of the new play style. I much preferred Gun's and Roses mafia and of course Animal Mafia where he was just plain scum and got lucky that his scum buddy got him out of being lynched day 1.

So my top 2 scum reads are Dunn/NS. Still debating on who the 3rds scum is but those 2 are my strongest ones.

most of my very early reads in GnR were wrong (remember how we had a big TvT fight?)
it was only later in the game where i figured out what was going on. same with the large normal. there i did have some good early reads, but it was only later where i really figured much out. and im not claiming that i have strong reads here. thats why im hesitant to share them. i could easily be dead wrong here. but im not trying to lead any wagons or push aggressively yet.

[votato]

farside, could you elaborate on your scumreads?

[notscience]

God damnit farside I’m town

[stungun0404]

You were town in this game and were very active at the start (22 posts on the first day and then a big analysis immediately starting the next day), which contradicts the activity argument.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11763957

And so did the newbie 2006 game you cited, you had 12 posts on the first day the game was available.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11902283

This game, you had 3 posts and then disappeared for about 3 days, until a wagon formed on you.

While you may be fairly active in some of your scum games, this evidence does not suggest that in your town games you are always lurking at the start. Thus, I don't think this initial analysis into your gameplay is very alignment-indicative, as it seems you are breaking pattern regardless of alignment.

[votato]

i didnt say i always lurk at the start of towngames. it has been an increasing trend recently, though. also, shitposting during RVS is different than actual posting. my activity will often drop off between RVS and some point late in day 1 or day 2 depending on how the game progresses. its not a trust tell that i always lurk as town or anything. im just saying, if im lurking at this point in the game, its probably town indicative if anything. it certainly isnt a scum tell.

[notscience]

Games over

I spent two game days

Basically a goddamn month

Watching votato lurk to a scum win

My votes not lazy.

[votato]

heh that game is unique because it was a lurkfest overall. note that i wasnt remotely lurky for the first 3-4 gamedays though. anyway, i have to head out for a bit. notsci is town with a bias against me here.

[votato]

and in that game when pressure was applied to me i lurked even more, not less.

[stungun0404]

OK, when you return, you know who I would like you to look into. In the meantime, I have no reason to move off of you because I honestly cannot verify from your meta that you are telling the truth.

[notscience]

The game I’m referring to is 2137 stun gun

[farside22]

farside, could you elaborate on your scumreads?

Dunn scum read you can find: here Thanks in part to GC for finding the massive discrepancy.
And if you are unclear why this scummy. Mala was calling you and hk scum together as well. Dunn basically agreed with those scum reads then switched to mala is scummy for saying the exact same fucking thing.

As for NS well I don't like his vote on you. He ignored the Dunn wagon and his reads here really have no explanation.
Like BM for example was pretty much not saying much, Gera hasn't offered much but he went with voting for you over others.
Why the criticism for DP?
I get the impression the list is a reason for him not to vote for Dunn.

I have a few null reads: BM, geraintm and mala.

I'm equating your play to large normal and NM I have a gut ping he is town (now he has tricked me in the past so I'm not married to my gut) but I get where he is going with BM.

[notscience]

I dislike the above post even though I agree with everything farside says

[Battle Mage]

Votato votes are lazy. I bet one of y'all are scum.

Challenge accepted!

VOTE: Votato

I like the meta analysis by stungun, clearly nobody is getting behind Green Crayons, and I think I'm townleaning Dunnstral. And seriously, voting BM on Day 1? This dude has run out of ideas...

[Battle Mage]

^^^ I don't see how that makes farside town. It does strengthen Dunn being scum.

I felt the way I felt. I can't help my pings on players.

There should be more votes on Dunn too with your follow up spoilers post.


@NS: Who else are you suspicious of? I see a lot of filler coming from you but nothing stating a scum read. Or even following of anyone.
BM: Hey BM, how are you? Taking some lumps I see......would you mind voting Dunn and we can chat later about if you are scum or town and about play style later?
Thanks!!

Yep yep, usual fare!

I'm not so keen on Dunn
Maybe he's just not scum
Annie did tell me so
and scum is votato



I'm worried about this "play style" chat...are you gonna bash me too?

[Battle Mage]

I don't want you to apologize, I want you to die

This is the only Dunnstral post that really townpings me, although his general tone is definitely one of not giving a crap and being abrasive which is more common in town than scum I think. Should be easy to meta later when I have more time.

[Battle Mage]

@Votato:

are you a pathetic ass scum?

A little harsh, but I did employ some artistic licence

On serious note, Green Crayons queuing up Votato for some dodgy self-meta; 2 scum down?

[stungun0404]

Just noting that the vote on Votato is now L-2.

Be careful adding another vote, because votato could self-hammer, or someone else could before we get the chance to hear back from Votato, ending the day phase sooner than preferable.

[Battle Mage]

Just noting that the vote on Votato is now L-2.

Be careful adding another vote, because votato could self-hammer, or someone else could before we get the chance to hear back from Votato, ending the day phase sooner than preferable.

why in God's name would votato self-hammer? I still like you though <3

[votato]

well im definitely not gonna self-hammer. im not that worried tbh. look at BM's vote on me. its not like this is a super duper serious wagon.