Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Blake Belladonna]

Hello.

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Spoiler: Mod VC

lilith2013 [4]:

Menalque [2433], Datisi [2465], Almost50 [2467], PenguinPower [2470]

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Something_Smart [2]:

skitter30 [2389], Firebringer [2424]

Not Voting [5]:

Bingle, MariaR, Something_Smart, lilith2013, Blake Belladonna

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.

[Menalque]

and i need people to help me optimize who to vig except i'll probably only listen to the people i townread

I mean... S_S would probably have been a better choice than PB and honestly that’s the biggest thing that concerns me about this

[skitter30]

i thought i might be tunneled and i wasn't sure what i thought about the lilith/ss thing
i was very close to vigging him

[Blake Belladonna]

In your memory does skitt normally play for wifom?

I'm curious why you asked this at this specific point.

[Blake Belladonna]

?
Are you saying those are people he suspected?
You think that scum!me lolkills pb out of everyone on n1 because he was suspecting me at some point in the day but had backed off and wasnt even pushing me by the end?
Because if so you have a very offbase understanding of how i'd make nks as scum

Pedit i would not have killed pb as scum last night

I agree with this.

I strongly doubt that Skitter30 would kill Pink Ball as scum on night one.

[Menalque]

the word 'the' also belies that she believes that there's an sk (it should not be obvious to anyone right now that there's a second source of kills - except to me and the mafia)

I definitely remember having seen this logic elsewhere but I can’t remember if it was accurate or not. Might have been in C9++ or somewhere else

[Menalque]

In your memory does skitt normally play for wifom?

I'm curious why you asked this at this specific point.

Basically: PB is a weird NK for scum to make —> he was pushing skitter aside from gobble and it’s weird because he was definitely mislynchable + he was a key proponent of the (ultimately town) gobble wagon —> would skitter kill someone who looks obviously bad for her to kill if she’s scum? —> skitter is strong as scum so she probably doesn’t kill that person directly or immediately —> but she might kill them for wifom based on the assumption that people wouldn’t expect a strong scum player to just directly kill the person who suspected them most —> does skitter normally go in for wifom when she’s scum?

[Datisi]

was there a reason you asked *me* that?

[Menalque]

Yeah, you were around

[Datisi]

meh

what's your read on skitt independent of her claim?

[Menalque]

meh

what's your read on skitt independent of her claim?

Towards scum I guess? But I’m not sure

I kinda wanna read back through her posts and see if they make sense from the mindset of her being a vig

[Menalque]

I like that she didn’t out on D1 if she is because I was kinda hoping that someone would vig gobbles but didn’t want to take the chance on bringing it up

[Blake Belladonna]

That's not how scum!me would have approached the nk last night. High-key threats cirst, and that logic would have been more appropriate like n3 or n4 or so.

Yes but highkey threats are exactly the people who you’d be competing with later in the WIFOM olympics of “why is X still alive?”

This doesn't work in this specific instance.

First, this logic also works in reverse and think of what it actually means. If all of Bingle, Almost50, and myself are town and she is scum, then look at what exactly happens if she doesn't start culling our numbers. I specifically hunt for stuff like this very commonly in my games, and if I get the impression that a high-key player is scum, then Skitter30 is going to end up at the top of the list pretty quickly considering I already have pretty strong reasons to believe Bingle and Almost50 are town, to use this specific example I'm providing. Almost50 has to be treated in a specific way to continue to not pressure and look to lynch her, and Bingle, depending on what the setup actually is, can completely bypass this and just set town up to win via mechanics.

You're thinking of this in a very broad sense and not truly seeing that if she does go this route, it would ultimately be a suicidal one. I don't think Skitter30 can afford to make these sort of plays in a game like this, not when there is this big of a chance that it goes wrong for... ultimately a harder game.

[Datisi]

No, I actually need to figure out what my reads are post-flip

can you figure out your read on me post-flip pls

VOTE: lilith

oh yeah, when you get to it, have you made your way (or whatever the expression was) through the scum PT of BnS and if so were there any conclusions from that

oh yeah i forgot about this lmao @mena

[skitter30]

I like that she didn’t out on D1 if she is because I was kinda hoping that someone would vig gobbles but didn’t want to take the chance on bringing it up

i mean i was going to but you lot decided we couldn't go that route so like

also note how i asked gobbles when he first claimed sk whether he picked being bp or not

[Blake Belladonna]

^started typing that before you posted

I think there’s probably a scum in (bingle, skitt, Blake, PP)

Unless I was protected from a nightkill or I'm scum with him, the odds of him being scum is very very low.

Even with the general suspicion towards my slot, I doubt he lets me live past night one.

[Almost50]

ok but we dont' know that yet so i don't want to rule out those things yet

i know i'm a pr
there's likely a doc/commuter/etc

so two PR's, and TTTTT or fewer, and that's all i'm comfortable assuming just yet

You know me, so you'll probably understand I won't rule out 6T unless we do have a second PR flip/claim. Theoretically is could still be 6T with scum deciding to holster to see if there's another kill to decide if they are in 6T or 7T themselves, while giving town the false impression that there might be a Doctor or there is not a SK (Too convoluted? Yes. Unlikey? Yes. Possible? Definitely YES).

Like this is why I'm good at Scum. I do things that are considered last likely and are automatically rules out. It's also probably part of why I get SR'd as Town because I do consider what I might do as scum.

In short, the only setup I am excluding now is 7T

And while at it (and this is not directed at skitter, but is a general statement) I "sometimes" may FOS someone I suspect are a TPR (as Town, that is) to give scum the false impression they might still mislynch that person, so as to make it less likely for then to shoot that person. So, if I suddenly decide to keep skitter in my PoE while nobody else is willing to go there you know what I'm doing.

[Menalque]

I like that she didn’t out on D1 if she is because I was kinda hoping that someone would vig gobbles but didn’t want to take the chance on bringing it up

i mean i was going to but you lot decided we couldn't go that route so like

also note how i asked gobbles when he first claimed sk whether he picked being bp or not

Yes I did note that and figured why you were doing it it just didn’t put me on you as the vig

[Menalque]

I assume you didn’t crumb?

[Menalque]

No, I actually need to figure out what my reads are post-flip

can you figure out your read on me post-flip pls

VOTE: lilith

oh yeah, when you get to it, have you made your way (or whatever the expression was) through the scum PT of BnS and if so were there any conclusions from that

oh yeah i forgot about this lmao @mena

Didn’t finish it yet no

I never read up extra in night phases because I always feel like it will have been a wasted effort if I die

[skitter30]

i don't really do crumbs

[Datisi]

^started typing that before you posted

I think there’s probably a scum in (bingle, skitt, Blake, PP)

Unless I was protected from a nightkill or I'm scum with him, the odds of him being scum is very very low.

Even with the general suspicion towards my slot, I doubt he lets me live past night one.

who's the "he" here?

[Blake Belladonna]

I think there’s probably a scum in (bingle, skitt, Blake, PP)

how did bingle end up here?

Also the same exact logic that I applied to why skitt might kill pb applies to Blake or bingle (somewhat less for bingle because I think pb was less suspicious of him) but that idea of preserving other players who would be expected to eat a NK in order to create cover for you being scum fits with them (or me from an outside pov) too

It doesn't.

I am more likely to use scumreads as scum rather than nightkill them away. Both of my Blake Belladonna scumgames prove this.

[Blake Belladonna]

^started typing that before you posted

I think there’s probably a scum in (bingle, skitt, Blake, PP)

Unless I was protected from a nightkill or I'm scum with him, the odds of him being scum is very very low.

Even with the general suspicion towards my slot, I doubt he lets me live past night one.

who's the "he" here?

Bingle, sorry.

[Menalque]

i don't really do crumbs

Yeah I know, that’s why I said I assume you didnt