Mini Normal 2148 (Post Game)

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Dunnstral

I'm game for applying pressure elsewhere, and seeing what happens, as I could see a realm where Dunn is scum.That, and I'm curious why he is still voting for malakittens.

L-2

[Green Crayons]

Y'all are killing me right now.

[farside22]

Y'all are killing me right now.

Do it!!!!!

[Not_Mafia]

What's the VC?

[farside22]

unofficial vote count:


votato (3): Malakittens, bob3141, Battle Mage
Dunnstral (5): DoctorPepper, farside22, HK 50, notscience, stungun0404
Battle Mage (3): Not_Mafia, votato, Green Crayons
notscience (1): geraintm
Malakittens (1): Dunnstral
Not voting (0):

[bob3141]

I saw battle mage playing similar to this as town.

Is that the only other than you think mala is scum and battle reminds you of one of his town games?


This is the players on your wagon so far:

DoctorPepper, farside22, HK 50, notscience, stungun0404

And these are on your one claimed town read

Not_Mafia, votato, Green Crayons

While your one scum read in on vot.


And since if you are town you would know that your town. What do you read of the players on the wagons that you know or think or town. And at the same time the wagon of the player that your scum read mala is pushing>

[bob3141]

Is that the only other read that you have. That you think mala is scum and battle reminds you of one of his town games?


These are the players on your wagon so far:

DoctorPepper, farside22, HK 50, notscience, stungun0404

And the below are on your one claimed town read

Not_Mafia, votato, Green Crayons

While your one scum read is on vot.


And since if you are town you would know that your town. What do you read of the players on the wagons that you know or think or town. And at the same time the wagon of the player that your scum read mala is pushing


corrected a bit of the gramma

[Jake The Wolfie]

FLAVOR IS MANDATORY.

Vote Count 1.8

Dunnstral (5):

DoctorPepper, farside22, HK 50, notscience, stungun0404

votato (3):

Malakittens, bob3141, Battle Mage

Battle Mage (3):

Not_Mafia, votato, Green Crayons

notscience (1):

geraintm

Malakittens (1):

Dunnstral

Not voting (0):

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Mod Notes:

Majority is 7 players.

Day 1 has begun and will end in (expired on 2020-06-22 07:23:04).[/area]

[bob3141]

So you said you would vote far or dun over their mala push. Was that the reason for your vote on dun as in that post you talked about how you felt that mala was town. Rather than talking about your read on dun. Was it duns mala vote that spurned your vote? If so what about dun lead you to scum read him enough to vote.

With all you later mentioning in post 99 about dun and farside in relation to their push on mala.

Since both dun and far and even NS voted mala prior to your dun posts. What is your read on those two players that you didn't vote for. Why dun over them.

This feels like it's overcomplicating my Dunn vote and kinda feels like a buddy/protect to Dunn.

Simply put, Dunn's Mala push was really disingenuous and very reachy. I disliked it because it painted Mala as scummy for something that wasn't even AI.

See i don't feel scum wouldn't at least try and divert pressure by either elaborating/extending or simply abandon his mala read. If mala was scum i would have expected him to either double down on his mala read and try and come up with fresh reasons to push mala over. Or just try to drop it and hope town forgets.

Which is giving me a gut feeling that dun is a fellow towny. As, if dun was scum I would have expected him to push a scum read on mala over something else, anything. If he was scum I would have expected him to try and fake a scum read on mala over his vote on vot.



You have said your original dun vote wasn't complicated and due to you feeling duns vote was “really disingenuous and very reachy”. But why do you think he really isn't trying to actually deflect attention from himself now if he was scum. I would have thought if my read was wrong on him and he is scum. Then i would have thought he would have doubled down on his mala read or tried to row it back. He has done neither.

And these swings back to dunn. A wagon forms on vot forms and quickly it breaks up with several of those on vot switching to dun.

So what leads you to a different conclusion that dun simply inst bad town?

[bob3141]

I’m townreading the whole wagon, who do you think is scum on it?

If you were town reading the entire vot wagon. Then why so quick to jump onto dun?

If vot inst scum then why do you think dun if he was scum would have tried to jump on the back of the vot wagon. And why do you think scum wouldn't try to jump onto a wagon you feel is rather towny?

[bob3141]

GC has a fair point, geraintm is still voting not science based off RVS reasoning, which is just a very lazy vote park that is not seemingly going to get us anywhere this day phase. I'm not real fond of it.

it is lazy. i'll move it though when i have somewhere better to move it to. i am notgoing to move it simply for the sake of moving it. that is the sort of thing i dislike others doing so i am not going to do it myself

But surely you want to get more informed. Why not pick some to vote. Even if it's just to pressure them a bit to get more content from them so that you can get more info to form a stronger read. Whether it's a town or scum ,lean.

If your town it's just looking like you're trying to sit away from the action. As this is even a low level of pro-activity for you.


What do you think of the different wagons that have formed? And do you get any reads from any of the different pushes players have made?


VOTE: germa

I think a little fire needs to be lite under your feet

[bob3141]

I remember the first time I played with you where getting a read on you was like trying to get blood out of stone.

[stungun0404]

I have some ideas and a possible lead on one particular player who I feel is likely to flip scum, but I don't currently want to distract away from both the Dunnstral push and the Geriantm push, because I

really

want to see more from both of them. So, Dunnstral and geriantm, if either of you are town please help me by eliminating yourself as a distraction, and showing pro-town, gamesolving intent.

[farside22]

I remember the first time I played with you where getting a read on you was like trying to get blood out of stone.

What was his alignment?

[Dunnstral]

I have some ideas and a possible lead on one particular player who I feel is likely to flip scum, but I don't currently want to distract away from both the Dunnstral push and the Geriantm push, because I

really

want to see more from both of them. So, Dunnstral and geriantm, if either of you are town please help me by eliminating yourself as a distraction, and showing pro-town, gamesolving intent.

I think people should be less focused on me, personally

[stungun0404]

I have some ideas and a possible lead on one particular player who I feel is likely to flip scum, but I don't currently want to distract away from both the Dunnstral push and the Geriantm push, because I

really

want to see more from both of them. So, Dunnstral and geriantm, if either of you are town please help me by eliminating yourself as a distraction, and showing pro-town, gamesolving intent.

I think people should be less focused on me, personally

OK, though I would like to know two things: what are your current stances on who is scum/town?

Battle Mage -- town?

and Mala -- mafia? Is that all?

And are you willing to vote anyone else?

[Dunnstral]

I wouldn't say he's town, just that he's acted like this as town before and so i don't think he's scummy

Notscience feels town

farside is scummy

Is that the only other read that you have. That you think mala is scum and battle reminds you of one of his town games?


These are the players on your wagon so far:

DoctorPepper, farside22, HK 50, notscience, stungun0404

And the below are on your one claimed town read

Not_Mafia, votato, Green Crayons

While your one scum read is on vot.


And since if you are town you would know that your town. What do you read of the players on the wagons that you know or think or town. And at the same time the wagon of the player that your scum read mala is pushing


corrected a bit of the gramma

I don't have a read on Not_Mafia or votato. Green Crayons is null.

[stungun0404]

So you see a Mala-Farside-??? scum team as of right now? Interesting... I don't quite agree with that, but I'm also not sure that is an angle scum would be trying to push right now under pressure.

I do agree, however, with not thinking BM is scummy.

Where do you think geraintm fits in, if you had to guess?

[notscience]

Notscience is town as shit

[Dunnstral]

Where do you think geraintm fits in, if you had to guess?

I don't know, I wouldn't lynch himr ight now

[stungun0404]

So Dunn is not supporting any counterwagons. Hmm... that makes me think, that he's not out for scum self-preservation? It's not super strong conviction, but it just doesn't make sense if he is scum. His ploy would have to be "I'm going to play super nonchalant here to get people off my wagon without pushing any counterevidence that could lead others elsewhere and off of my tracks." That is a hard scum strategy to indeed play and convince others of, so I'm not currently getting a scum vibe out of that. I think we are better off lynching elsewhere today.

VOTE: GC

[farside22]

You are still ignoring dunn contradiction why?

[farside22]

Like dunns whole scum read on mala is something he said too. This is not freaking rocket scientists. He's going to make shit reads now that make no fucking sense and lurk.
Fuck no

[votato]

ill be shocked if there isnt scum in {farside, dunn}

[stungun0404]

You are still ignoring dunn contradiction why?

I think GC is scummier and has more contradictions and more of what I find to be a scummy agenda. Will post more on that soon.