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[Green Crayons]

Y’all rely way too much on so called meta.

[Green Crayons]

God this is going to be annoying.

[Green Crayons]

I think people should be less focused on me, personally

Ever think that if you actually responded to people’s suspicions then the wagon might move on?

[Green Crayons]

Hmm... that makes me think, that he's not out for scum self-preservation? It's not super strong conviction, but it just doesn't make sense if he is scum. His ploy would have to be "I'm going to play super nonchalant here to get people off my wagon without pushing any counterevidence that could lead others elsewhere and off of my tracks." That is a hard scum strategy to indeed play and convince others of, so I'm not currently getting a scum vibe out of that.

He was active and then shriveled into a ball once he got some pressure on him.

That he hasn’t moved coincides with his attempt to make himself as small and unnoticeable as possible.

I don’t think this is AI either way, as it could come from any alignment. But it doesn’t clear him.

[votato]

i will be down for a GC wagon after we are done with current wagons

[stungun0404]

stungun's scum meter is strong on GC, and here is why I am suspicious...

I feel a blatant, scummy narrative to GC's posts looking through their ISO. If you look at the tone throughout his ISO, there is a clear discrediting tone to it; one that scum could hide behind to advance their agenda. Any and all town leans/vibes are very weakly supported, if at all. In fact, the only ones I see are ns and HK "pumping town vibes" in 175, and a lean towards Geriantm!town in 395, but do note that I had to prompt that read from him, and thus it was not naturally expressed on his own. Further, assuming those reads are town, those are good and convenient townreads for scum to make as they are distractions scum could potentially keep alive. As I addressed earlier, HK's motives can be harder to read based off the language he uses, and Geriantm has provided very little content so far, and has been a clear distraction. Further, Notscience seems like a difficult lynch to obtain, and so supporting a townread there also makes theoretical sense, perhaps even to buddy NS?

Meanwhile, since GC provided no support at all to those town indications, he seems to be setting himself up so that he can flip easily later. Outside of those poorly supported reads, the best he has done is sticking up for votato in 315 without explicitly calling him town. He just says "the votes are lazy, I bet one of you are scum."

But then he contradicts that a few posts later into his ISO, suddenly flipping and discrediting votato in 396 by saying "Gross, now votato is acting suspicious." Followed by in 398 declaring that the humor of his scum partner post "is clearly forced." Still, he never seems like he is considering hopping on to the votato wagon, only discredits.

Further discrediting can be found of bob in 177 that "Bob's posts look like scum trying to effort." Meanwhile, Bob is a pretty well townread player so far, so this definitely sticks out in terms of calling him scummy. It just feels like he is trying to fit bob there, conveniently, so maybe he can vote him later. He also discredited my earliest town read, farside, as well while reasoning that what I found

actually

made dunn look scummier in 228.

Also took a weird stance on BM that his vote on Votato "looked made up" in 421, which does not exactly seem like the best reason to vote BM if you ask me. Also, I do not know if it is a natural town instinct to come to a conclusion that a vote "is made up", just seems like a forced scum conclusion, but maybe I am wrong there.

So, clearly I find so much emphasis on discrediting others in his ISO, and very little support of any players or reasons given to advance that certain players are not scummy/are townie.

This would be a very easy approach for scum to take.

Further, it seems that technically

GC supports all of Votato, Dunnstral, and Battle Mage being lynched based off their content so far. The fact that they are somewhat supporting all three of the current majority wagons, and also maintaining suspicions of bob, farside, Mala, and others makes it seem like GC's intent is to pin others against each other while GC sits back and watches town get confused

. This does not feel like town trying to sort, it feels like scum aggressively trying to keep options open. Further, throughout his ISO it feels like he is basically willing to lynch anybody except himself, which obviously gives more of an unsettling scum narrative vibe than a town one.

Also, the redirection back to Dunnstral's lynch in 453 reinforces my point that GC is all right with pretty much any way the lynch goes, as long as it's not him.

And yet, he is NOT voting dunnstral right now. He is voting Battle Mage.

Clear scum here, to me.

@anyone who looks at GC's ISO: What is GC's incentive, thus far, if they are town? What in their ISO suggests that they are NOT scum with the intent to discredit others?

Finally, are others down to potentially lynching GC?

[votato]

well said stungun. thats exactly right.

[votato]

VOTE: crayons there are no current good wagons, my vote is on BM as a placeholder ffs.

[Green Crayons]

Yup. Annoying.

Okay I'll just hit the highlights.

But then he contradicts that a few posts later into his ISO, suddenly flipping and discrediting votato in 396 by saying "Gross, now votato is acting suspicious." Followed by in 398 declaring that the humor of his scum partner post "is clearly forced." Still, he never seems like he is considering hopping on to the votato wagon, only discredits.

This is me literally reacting to votato's post. Egads, how dare i respond to the changing gamestate.

[Green Crayons]

Further discrediting can be found of bob in 177 that "Bob's posts look like scum trying to effort." Meanwhile, Bob is a pretty well townread player so far, so this definitely sticks out in terms of calling him scummy. It just feels like he is trying to fit bob there, conveniently, so maybe he can vote him later. He also discredited my earliest town read, farside, as well while reasoning that what I found

actually

made dunn look scummier in 228.

lol

"discrediting" is the loaded term you're using for me calling someone scummy

okay

[Green Crayons]

Also took a weird stance on BM that his vote on Votato "looked made up" in 421, which does not exactly seem like the best reason to vote BM if you ask me. Also, I do not know if it is a natural town instinct to come to a conclusion that a vote "is made up", just seems like a forced scum conclusion, but maybe I am wrong there.

Maybe if you look harder, you'll see I've been suspecting Battle Mage for a while.

Maybe if you look *even harder*, you'll see why.

And lol @ my justification for voting BM apparently went completely over your head in your pursuit to vote me.

[Green Crayons]

Further, it seems that technically

GC supports all of Votato, Dunnstral, and Battle Mage being lynched based off their content so far. The fact that they are somewhat supporting all three of the current majority wagons, and also maintaining suspicions of bob, farside, Mala, and others makes it seem like GC's intent is to pin others against each other while GC sits back and watches town get confused

. This does not feel like town trying to sort, it feels like scum aggressively trying to keep options open. Further, throughout his ISO it feels like he is basically willing to lynch anybody except himself, which obviously gives more of an unsettling scum narrative vibe than a town one.

This is a legitimately bad understanding of developing D1 reads.

[Green Crayons]

Also, the redirection back to Dunnstral's lynch in 453 reinforces my point that GC is all right with pretty much any way the lynch goes, as long as it's not him.

And yet, he is NOT voting dunnstral right now. He is voting Battle Mage.

Clear scum here, to me.

Immediately after I switched from dunn to BM, because nobody was biting at dunn, two people jumped onto dunn. That put dunn at L-2. I didn't need to add my vote because the pressure is there and my suspicions still stand (by and large of which farside has taken the flag for others to rally behind). My vote's plenty useful on BM.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: crayons there are no current good wagons, my vote is on BM as a placeholder ffs.

You should go back to Battle Mage for good reasons.

[Green Crayons]

Further, it seems that technically

GC supports all of Votato, Dunnstral, and Battle Mage being lynched based off their content so far. The fact that they are somewhat supporting all three of the current majority wagons, and also maintaining suspicions of bob, farside, Mala, and others makes it seem like GC's intent is to pin others against each other while GC sits back and watches town get confused

. This does not feel like town trying to sort, it feels like scum aggressively trying to keep options open. Further, throughout his ISO it feels like he is basically willing to lynch anybody except himself, which obviously gives more of an unsettling scum narrative vibe than a town one.

This is a legitimately bad understanding of developing D1 reads.

Also

and I'll attribute your mischaracterization of my stance on votato to your single-mindedness to Present A Scum Case and be a good town

I don't support a votato lynch, and have never said I did.

[votato]

nope. i have the same read on you that stungun does. your posts are throwing shade everywhere without committing to a push or really attacking anyone.

[Green Crayons]

Further, it seems that technically

GC supports all of Votato, Dunnstral, and Battle Mage being lynched based off their content so far. The fact that they are somewhat supporting all three of the current majority wagons, and also maintaining suspicions of bob, farside, Mala, and others makes it seem like GC's intent is to pin others against each other while GC sits back and watches town get confused

. This does not feel like town trying to sort, it feels like scum aggressively trying to keep options open. Further, throughout his ISO it feels like he is basically willing to lynch anybody except himself, which obviously gives more of an unsettling scum narrative vibe than a town one.

This is a legitimately bad understanding of developing D1 reads.

Also

and I'll attribute your mischaracterization of my stance on votato to your single-mindedness to Present A Scum Case and be a good town

I don't support a votato lynch, and have never said I did.

ALSO also


lol Mala is a null as I've said before


Hot damn you really wanted to make a case. Congrats, I suppose.

[votato]

even the way you are giving reads... "as ive said before" as though you are having to go back to your old posts to check what your reads are rather than giving them organically

[Green Crayons]

When someone says

GC says X

and I know from memory that I've said Y

I just might phrase it, "no, Y, as I've said before"

[Green Crayons]

Also took a weird stance on BM that his vote on Votato "looked made up" in 421, which does not exactly seem like the best reason to vote BM if you ask me. Also, I do not know if it is a natural town instinct to come to a conclusion that a vote "is made up", just seems like a forced scum conclusion, but maybe I am wrong there.

Maybe if you look harder, you'll see I've been suspecting Battle Mage for a while.

Maybe if you look *even harder*, you'll see why.

And lol @ my justification for voting BM apparently went completely over your head in your pursuit to vote me.

I think this is important, btw.

BM switched to votato. His only reason for suspecting votato as scum is because of stun's meta analysis of votato.

The problem is that stun's meta analysis--by stun's own explanation!--is that it doesn't show that votato is scum. It just shows that he is not town.


And so


drum roll, please

His

justification for his

vote on votato looks made up.

Fixed.

[notscience]

vla til Sunday- will try to be as active as possible but I’m working a long ass week until they assign real shifts

[Green Crayons]

The problem is that stun's meta analysis--by stun's own explanation!--is that it doesn't show that votato is scum. It just shows that

it doesn't clear him as town

he is not town

.

lol fixed again

[notscience]

proxy vote to mala

Don’t let them do dumb shit while I’m away tia

[notscience]

Someone give me the short version of why we’re voting gc I was leaning town there

[votato]

455 its pretty short