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[notscience]

I’m townreading the whole wagon, who do you think is scum on it?

If you were town reading the entire vot wagon. Then why so quick to jump onto dun?

If vot inst scum then why do you think dun if he was scum would have tried to jump on the back of the vot wagon. And why do you think scum wouldn't try to jump onto a wagon you feel is rather towny?

I got cold feet bc like I said he wasn’t able to fake tone in my experience with him and I like his tone here

Can you rephrase this because I’m super confused. I literally jumped there bc peer pressure and I got cold feet

[Green Crayons]

Someone give me the short version of why we’re voting gc I was leaning town there

He doesn't like that I voice suspicions of players without some sort of counterbalancing of voicing my opinion about players who are town (even though elsewhere he recognizes that I do that too).

[stungun0404]

Someone give me the short version of why we’re voting gc I was leaning town there

He doesn't like that I voice suspicions of players without some sort of counterbalancing of voicing my opinion about players who are town (even though elsewhere he recognizes that I do that too).

Yeah, don't trust this take...

[Green Crayons]

Sorry, I glossed over the comically bad parts.

[Green Crayons]

Do you understand the BM vote or just not going to think about that?

[stungun0404]

Further discrediting can be found of bob in 177 that "Bob's posts look like scum trying to effort." Meanwhile, Bob is a pretty well townread player so far, so this definitely sticks out in terms of calling him scummy. It just feels like he is trying to fit bob there, conveniently, so maybe he can vote him later. He also discredited my earliest town read, farside, as well while reasoning that what I found

actually

made dunn look scummier in 228.

lol

"discrediting" is the loaded term you're using for me calling someone scummy

okay

When you do it enough times, it takes on a discrediting tone.

Further, it seems that technically

GC supports all of Votato, Dunnstral, and Battle Mage being lynched based off their content so far. The fact that they are somewhat supporting all three of the current majority wagons, and also maintaining suspicions of bob, farside, Mala, and others makes it seem like GC's intent is to pin others against each other while GC sits back and watches town get confused

. This does not feel like town trying to sort, it feels like scum aggressively trying to keep options open. Further, throughout his ISO it feels like he is basically willing to lynch anybody except himself, which obviously gives more of an unsettling scum narrative vibe than a town one.

This is a legitimately bad understanding of developing D1 reads.

Also

and I'll attribute your mischaracterization of my stance on votato to your single-mindedness to Present A Scum Case and be a good town

I don't support a votato lynch, and have never said I did.

ALSO also


lol Mala is a null as I've said before


Hot damn you really wanted to make a case. Congrats, I suppose.

also obviously mala's suspicion of votato is bad, and her back-burner nonsense is silly, but lol nonetheless at farside and notscience

I’m townreading the whole wagon, who do you think is scum on it?

mala or bob, with me leaning towards bob

False. These posts clearly suggest that mala is scummy to you.

[notscience]

Stun I’m like 73% sure everything you listed is just how most oldies play and not really as alignment indicative as you think

[Green Crayons]

lol

also obviously mala's suspicion of votato is bad, and her back-burner nonsense is silly, but lol nonetheless at farside and notscience

Here's me literally defending that mala's bad suspicion is not AI about mala (bad reasoning =/= scum):

I have higher expectation for Mala.

That she has a bad reason for suspecting votato/HK can go either way in terms of Mala’s alignment.

The fact that her suspicion is bad is because she isn’t familiar with SW video games means her bad suspicion isn’t alignment indicative.

You “expecting more” of Malta here means you “expected Mala to get the SW reference so she wouldn’t have had the bad suspicion.”

Unless if you think she’s lying about missing the SW reference.

And then

mala or bob, with me leaning towards bob

Did you purposefully ignore me say why she was on that list? Just two posts later?

She's more or less null for me at the moment, and so she's a contender.

[notscience]

Both of you stop tvting I don’t feel like reading walls of arguments tia

[stungun0404]

Stun I’m like 73% sure everything you listed is just how most oldies play and not really as alignment indicative as you think

I don't think that's true... I'm fairly convinced GC is scum and on D1 when I get that feeling it usually is right, although there are expections.

Why do you trust GC?

[Green Crayons]

Since you're around, NS, what do you think about a BM vote?

Also took a weird stance on BM that his vote on Votato "looked made up" in 421, which does not exactly seem like the best reason to vote BM if you ask me. Also, I do not know if it is a natural town instinct to come to a conclusion that a vote "is made up", just seems like a forced scum conclusion, but maybe I am wrong there.

Maybe if you look harder, you'll see I've been suspecting Battle Mage for a while.

Maybe if you look *even harder*, you'll see why.

And lol @ my justification for voting BM apparently went completely over your head in your pursuit to vote me.

I think this is important, btw.

BM switched to votato. His only reason for suspecting votato as scum is because of stun's meta analysis of votato.

The problem is that stun's meta analysis--by stun's own explanation!--is that it doesn't show that votato is scum. It just shows that he is not town.


And so


drum roll, please

His

justification for his

vote on votato looks made up.

Fixed.

The problem is that stun's meta analysis--by stun's own explanation!--is that it doesn't show that votato is scum. It just shows that

it doesn't clear him as town

he is not town

.

lol fixed again

[Green Crayons]

I don't think that's true... I'm fairly convinced GC is scum and on D1 when I get that feeling it usually is right, although there are expections.

You should take a healthy dose of perspective.

[notscience]

Stun I’m like 73% sure everything you listed is just how most oldies play and not really as alignment indicative as you think

I don't think that's true... I'm fairly convinced GC is scum and on D1 when I get that feeling it usually is right, although there are expections.

Why do you trust GC?

Because I’m 81% sure I’ve been you at this exact moment regarding long term players and i was wrong

I don’t trust him but I think your case re him is just how he’s going to be regardless of alignment

[notscience]

I’m like the king of tvting so I know a thing or two

[DoctorPepper]

Bob is totally defending Dunn which makes me think they are aligned

Furthermore, I feel like his vote actively went against existing wagons to avoid taking a stand to make it seem like this isn't a counter wagon.

Actually there are so many counter wagons to Dunny right now and it bugs me that Dunn is just brushing it all off

[geraintm]

I remember the first time I played with you where getting a read on you was like trying to get blood out of stone.

sorry. but I was town then and I am the same now if that akes you feel any better

[geraintm]

I remember the first time I played with you where getting a read on you was like trying to get blood out of stone.

What was his alignment?

town. bad town, but I was town

[geraintm]

thought I would lok over Dunnstral, as they are currently the biggest wagon.

they are throwing arounda bunch of "they are mafia" posts very easily.
they have a few posts where they say they think someone is town.

they seem a bit trigger happy with their calling people scum, but overall...nothing here I am too upset about yet.

[Malakittens]

I remember the first time I played with you where getting a read on you was like trying to get blood out of stone.

I have never seen something more accurate.

[geraintm]

I remember the first time I played with you where getting a read on you was like trying to get blood out of stone.

I have never seen something more accurate.

you were scum and I was town!!!
how hard could it have been?!

[Malakittens]

I’ts very hard considering I’m having trouble figuring you out rn

[Green Crayons]

He seems mildly town.

Let’s focus on BM.

Who doesn’t have a legitimate scum read on votato—BM voted because of stun’s meta analysis that stun said was not AI—but BM voted votato anyway.

Red light scum alert.

[farside22]

mod v/la for 2 days maybe 3

[Malakittens]

I’m trying to catch up on the last posts from Monday night and I can’t. There’s walls and cryptic posts and then one liners.

[Malakittens]

I have some ideas and a possible lead on one particular player who I feel is likely to flip scum, but I don't currently want to distract away from both the Dunnstral push and the Geriantm push, because I

really

want to see more from both of them. So, Dunnstral and geriantm, if either of you are town please help me by eliminating yourself as a distraction, and showing pro-town, gamesolving intent.

I think people should be less focused on me, personally

I mean I’d love you to actually explain your reads without one liners or being cryptic as hell. Is that too much to ask?

So why exactly are you voting me if it’s not because I didn’t get a reference.