Newbie 2012 - Game Over

[DoctorPepper]

first!

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Right back at ya buddy!

VOTE: GuiltyLion

-0.25 points for wasting a vote by OMGUSing voting an SE who isn;t going to tell you squat from his reaction

What does it matter that he's an SE?

Also lol found scum. Day 1 Page 1 solves are rare

Wouldn't be surprised if it was 72+Italiano.

[GuiltyLion]

Looks like we're playing together again pii. What's up bud.

Oh yeah

VOTE: Micc

As a golden gopher fan, I can't believe he's broadcasting that thing in his avatar.

VOTE: Italiano

Let's leave RVS. Anyone can tell me why this vote is scummy?

I mean there's the mafia 101 explanation of "voting the mod provides no information, avoids any potential early game conflict, etc" and yeah I get it

but let's play mafia 201 - did you look at Italiano's completed game? He strikes me as a smart/capable player (his avatar also contributes to this impression ) and while it's

possible

scum!Italiano is timid/scared in RVS I don't entirely buy it as likely

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: UNOwen

I don't like 24, the whole thing feels awkward and he conveniently doesn't put his actual reason for voting Italiano into words - sneaky, sneaky

[Ydrasse]

i’m headed into work so i’ll be active in a few hours but i have a light tr on guiltylion for 26. i like his answer to doctorpepper for how it answers a pretty baseline question.

that being said i don’t think doctorpepper’s question itself is bad and i like the initiative to leave rvs. it just seems a bit shallow.

[DoctorPepper]

GL, I don't really do meta.

I mean yeah sure I'd like to see it but that's a textbook bad RVS vote.

Would like to see more from Unowen, agree with you there it seems a bit sheepy to me

[WaltertheDunce10]

I agree with your point on Owen ,but it is in the early stages.
I don't know if 26 is indicative of anything yet.

[WaltertheDunce10]

To add on it is a good post though.
Having a busy morning with my doodles so far.

[GuiltyLion]

I agree with your point on Owen ,but it is in the early stages.

Can you explain why you think 'early stages' makes it less meaningful of a point? Scum are scum whether it's the early game or the late game, I've caught scum off of one post before.

What would be the harm in your mind voting for Owen right now?

[UNOwen]

VOTE: UNOwen

I don't like 24, the whole thing feels awkward and he conveniently doesn't put his actual reason for voting Italiano into words - sneaky, sneaky

I thought it was fairly obvious why I voted Italiano. Suspicious post + page 1 = vote and see how people react. What do you suppose my reason was?

[WaltertheDunce10]

I mean that I need to see more posts from him before I decide.
There is none except to acquire more and better reads.
I find it difficult to read someone off of a single post rather than their totality.
I don't doubt your skills.
But I would vote for him if this posting style continues and it still seems scummy.

[Ydrasse]

@unowen: what about italiano’s post made you think it was suspicious?

[UNOwen]

@unowen: what about italiano’s post made you think it was suspicious?

He voted the mod, minimizing engagement. If I had reasons beyond what DrPepper was clearly getting at I would have included them with my vote. It's not a slam dunk but definitely a better vote than random.

I gather you don't agree that the mod vote was notable?

[Micc]

Votecount 1.01

ItalianoVD (2) -

DoctorPepper, UNOwen

72offsuit (1) -

Ydrasse

Ydrasse (1) -

WaltertheDunce10

WaltertheDunce10 (1) -

72offsuit

UNOwen (1) -

GuiltyLion

Not Voting (3) -

3bounty, piisirrational, ItalianoVD

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to Eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is paused at 10 days until all players have confirmed.

[Ydrasse]

@unowen: what about italiano’s post made you think it was suspicious?

He voted the mod, minimizing engagement. If I had reasons beyond what DrPepper was clearly getting at I would have included them with my vote. It's not a slam dunk but definitely a better vote than random.

I gather you don't agree that the mod vote was notable?

not really, no. i feel that thinking it suspicious is a bit of a stretch, really — people in rvs are going to be a bit more silly/lighthearted until people start really scumhunting. that, and i'm of the opinion that mafia are more likely to come into this game with a serious attitude than something silly that draws attention to them.

[DoctorPepper]

^ then what's the point of RVS then?
Even if it's a random vote, the point of RVS is to gain information from why the random votes were made. I.e. if you give a vote without information, then it's a reason to talk about you.

That being said, I actually think 72 is scummier, but lets wait for Italiano

[Ydrasse]

^ then what's the point of RVS then?
Even if it's a random vote, the point of RVS is to gain information from why the random votes were made. I.e. if you give a vote without information, then it's a reason to talk about you.

That being said, I actually think 72 is scummier, but lets wait for Italiano

that's fair! i guess i just didn't think anything of someone being silly personally, so i didn't understand the connection of, "this is a bad way to start off."

so far, people have kind of kicked off out of rvs and i haven't had to make that sort of analysis/try to jump on something myself.

[Micc]

TheThirteenthJT replaces 3bounty.

[72offsuit]

Looks like we're playing together again pii. What's up bud.

Oh yeah

VOTE: Micc

As a golden gopher fan, I can't believe he's broadcasting that thing in his avatar.

VOTE: Italiano

Let's leave RVS. Anyone can tell me why this vote is scummy?

Signalling leaving RvS pretty much defeats the purpose of what follows.

It's like telling someone, "don't worry, there won't be any side effects to this new medication, it's just a placebo".

Sorry but what was the point of that post?

Hello everyone
This looks like a good place to start VOTE: ItalianoVD

Signalling leaving RvS pretty much defeats the purpose of what follows.

It's like telling someone, "don't worry, there won't be any side effects to this new medication, it's just a placebo".

Can you explain what you mean by this?

I'm saying DP's "Let's leave RVS" is LAMISTY and forced. Doesn't sound natural to me.

[72offsuit]

I agree with your point on Owen ,but it is in the early stages.
I don't know if 26 is indicative of anything yet.

Fence-sitting. Why mention it if you aren't going to make a call either way?

Scum points: -0.25

[72offsuit]

@ Everyone:

1) What is your experience with playing mafia?
2) Do you prefer playing town or scum?
3) What do you think of the Policy lynch of Lynch All Lurkers?

[72offsuit]

^ then what's the point of RVS then?
Even if it's a random vote, the point of RVS is to gain information from why the random votes were made. I.e. if you give a vote without information, then it's a reason to talk about you.

That being said, I actually think 72 is scummier, but lets wait for Italiano

So what is !scum72offsuit's agenda and how does it further !scum victory condition?

[72offsuit]

By the way, need more votes on Dunce.

Classic greeting-the-entire-thread scum tell:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=79490

[DoctorPepper]

Well you're clearly discrediting my take as being forced.

Would it have been different if I didn't say "let's leave RVS"?

[72offsuit]

Well you're clearly discrediting my take as being forced.

Would it have been different if I didn't say "let's leave RVS"?

1. What do you mean by "discrediting"?
I'm saying your post gives me a non-genuine/forced/fake sort of vibe.

2. Yes, as the "let's leave RVS" on its own is LAMISTY. The argument against Italiano, independently of "let's leave RVS" though, is really lame.
I don;t see a scum-rolling player sitting there thinking, "oh gee, I'm really worried my RVS-vote (which is exactly what is expected of you and what pretty much everyone is doing) will draw suspicion towards, I'll vote the mod instead"

3. Do you think RVS voting the mod is scummier, less scummy, or neither, as compared to not RVS voting at all?

[72offsuit]

EBWOP: towards me*