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[Malakittens]

So Dunn is not supporting any counterwagons. Hmm... that makes me think, that he's not out for scum self-preservation? It's not super strong conviction, but it just doesn't make sense if he is scum. His ploy would have to be "I'm going to play super nonchalant here to get people off my wagon without pushing any counterevidence that could lead others elsewhere and off of my tracks." That is a hard scum strategy to indeed play and convince others of, so I'm not currently getting a scum vibe out of that. I think we are better off lynching elsewhere today.

VOTE: GC

I actually disagree with this tell for a few reasons especially when you’re playing with more experienced people and/or early in the game days.

[Malakittens]

proxy vote to mala

Don’t let them do dumb shit while I’m away tia

Lol

I don’t remember if i have ever seen you do this before.

[DoctorPepper]

I mean I’d love you to actually explain your reads without one liners or being cryptic as hell. Is that too much to ask?

So why exactly are you voting me if it’s not because I didn’t get a reference.

It's because he scum bro

[notscience]

The game with votato I tried to replace in late d1- was lolhammered before I officially replaced in. D2 lolhammered in 6 hours. Both on town by town.

[stungun0404]

@Mala, I understand that you disagree with my Dunn flip, but what are your thoughts on my GC case? I have expressed more confidence in that read.

[Jake The Wolfie]

FLAVOR IS MANDATORY.

Vote Count 1.9

Dunnstral (4):

DoctorPepper, farside22, HK 50, [notscience]

votato (2):

Malakittens, Battle Mage

Battle Mage (2):

Not_Mafia, Green Crayons

Green Crayons (2):

stungun0404, votato

notscience (1):

geraintm

Malakittens (1):

Dunnstral

geraintm (1):

bob3141

Not voting (0):

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Mod Notes:

Majority is 7 players.

Day 1 has begun and will end in (expired on 2020-06-22 07:23:04).
notscience is V/LA until Sunday, and has handed their vote to Malakittens.
farside22 is V/LA for (expired on 2020-06-19 13:49:13)[/area]

[HK 50]

[Ineffectual mentality:]

Currently my circuits are quite encumbered by vast amounts of backproccesses.

In the mundane sense, I'm the equivalent of being "very tired and stressed" for an organic.

As such, I shall not come to correct you all on who scum is just yet no no no. I am going to enjoy a nice long diagnostic in my quarters. However, to avoid being struck with the very overdue prod, know this: master Dunnstral still looks scummy. This is not the prod dodge you are looking for.

[Statement:]

I also wasnt aware you could actually give another player control of your vote. Interesting.

[Not_Mafia]

Votato's GC vote was really bad

[stungun0404]

Votato's GC vote was really bad

Think they could be partners?

[Not_Mafia]

It's possible I guess, but votato or Battle Mage is today's lynch

[votato]

It's possible I guess, but votato or Battle Mage is today's lynch

what exactly is the case against me? i realize that my vote was a bit lazy/sheepy but i did say that i found GC suspicious before stun's case. so either i expected a good case and decided to bus before i even knew why i was bussing, or stun read my mind and said exactly what i was thinking. i guess ill leave it to you to decide which is more likely

[Green Crayons]

510 is an example of someone using bad logic

this time it suggests town

see, stun, how saying someone is using bad logic/reasoning isn't synonymous with calling someone scum?

[Green Crayons]

Votato's GC vote was really bad

Post 467 feels more like town trying (and failing spectacularly) to scum hunt rather than scum coming up with a reason to vote, especially when he could've just stayed safe with standing by stun's case

[votato]

@GC, why dont you think the reason im apparently failing to scum hunt is because im scum and its hard to do as scum?

[Green Crayons]

because

especially when he could've just stayed safe with standing by stun's case

and

"you used this magic phrase which means you went back and looked at what you posted"--which is incorrect factually--"which means your reads are fake and therefore you're scum"--which is bad reasoning

is so thin a reed to rest a suspicion on that I don't think scum would try it

[Green Crayons]

There's also that, apart from your attempt at "scum slip" humor, I don't think anything you've done is suspicious.

[votato]

There's also that, apart from your attempt at "scum slip" humor, I don't think anything you've done is suspicious.

im very disappointed in your scumhunting then

[Green Crayons]

It's like you're scum and taunting me.

[Battle Mage]

jesus… do I even have to respond to Green Crayons 'case' on me?

It's been repeated ad nauseum (because GC apparently thinks he can get away with plugging something as weak as this instead of actually scumhunting).

His vote on votato looks made up.

First, his vote:

Votato votes are lazy. I bet one of y'all are scum.

Challenge accepted!

VOTE: Votato

I like the meta analysis by stungun

, clearly nobody is getting behind Green Crayons, and I think I'm townleaning Dunnstral. And seriously, voting BM on Day 1? This dude has run out of ideas...

He reads votato as scum only because of your meta analysis. But your meta analysis specifically said it was a wash on alignment, and so wasn't AI:

The fact Stungun doesn't think it's AI, doesn't mean I don't think it's AI. I believe I said, as above, "I like the analysis", as opposed to "I agree with the analysis in it's entirety and share Stungun's resulting conclusion". I did in fact think it was AI, and voted for that reason.

I think if you were town you would have thought about this for more than 5 seconds, and tried asking me why I felt it was AI? Rather than just pretending I didn't, and am a complete imbecile (which incidentally would have been NAI anyway for me ).

Also took a weird stance on BM that his vote on Votato "looked made up" in 421, which does not exactly seem like the best reason to vote BM if you ask me. Also, I do not know if it is a natural town instinct to come to a conclusion that a vote "is made up", just seems like a forced scum conclusion, but maybe I am wrong there.

Maybe if you look harder, you'll see I've been suspecting Battle Mage for a while.

Maybe if you look *even harder*, you'll see why.

And lol @ my justification for voting BM apparently went completely over your head in your pursuit to vote me.

I think this is important, btw.

BM switched to votato. His only reason for suspecting votato as scum is because of stun's meta analysis of votato.

The problem is that stun's meta analysis--by stun's own explanation!--is that it doesn't show that votato is scum. It just shows that he is not town.

I've answered this above - clearly I thought the analysis of Stun was helpful, but didn't agree with the conclusion. And it doesn't seem like you've been suspecting me for a while at all - you voted for me because I voted for you right?
I'm pretty sure someone of your experience didn't actually buy your own case.

He seems mildly town.

Let’s focus on BM.

Who doesn’t have a legitimate scum read on votato—BM voted because of stun’s meta analysis that stun said was not AI—but BM voted votato anyway.

Red light scum alert.

Again!? Beating a dead horse here pal. I suppose you wouldn't know if my scumread was legitimate or not, because you haven't bothered to ask me or probe my explanation, you've just set up an implausible strawman.

Even if you were right, I'm not really clear why you think being an idiot would make me scum - inability to read is not something I normally consider AI in and of itself.

VOTE: GreenCrayons (in case I wasn't already)

[Battle Mage]

I'll catch up on the rest later, but I'm pretty sure I can lynch here today.

[Green Crayons]

The fact Stungun doesn't think it's AI, doesn't mean I don't think it's AI. I believe I said, as above, "I like the analysis", as opposed to "I agree with the analysis in it's entirety and share Stungun's resulting conclusion". I did in fact think it was AI, and voted for that reason.

Why is it AI?

[votato]

It's like you're scum and taunting me.

see your taunts directed at me

[Battle Mage]

The fact Stungun doesn't think it's AI, doesn't mean I don't think it's AI. I believe I said, as above, "I like the analysis", as opposed to "I agree with the analysis in it's entirety and share Stungun's resulting conclusion". I did in fact think it was AI, and voted for that reason.

Why is it AI?

I'll answer that when I've caught up. In the meantime, how about explaining why you didn't ask that question to begin with, or at any point while I wasn't here? Ya know, like somebody would if they were actually sorting, as opposed to just trying to stitch someone up with an ill-conceived case.

[Green Crayons]

lol

okay you take your time trying to figure out how you can make stun's NOT-AI meta analysis into a YES-AI meta analysis

[Green Crayons]

He reads votato as scum only because of your meta analysis. But your meta analysis specifically said it was a wash on alignment, and so wasn't AI:

The fact Stungun doesn't think it's AI, doesn't mean I don't think it's AI. I believe I said, as above, "I like the analysis", as opposed to "I agree with the analysis in it's entirety and share Stungun's resulting conclusion". I did in fact think it was AI, and voted for that reason.

Why is it AI?

I'll answer that when I've caught up.

just lol