Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[skitter30]

OH
ok

i think i'm just going to go with:
- i may or may not holster
- i may or may not shoot ss (or lilith if we lynch ss)
- i may or may not shoot an unnamed third party

and just keep it at that.

and then scum can try to figure out how they want to optimize that ^

[Bingle]

I mean...

If you're not vigging, scum can choose to BD you with random townie A who is incredibly unlikely to be docced/JK'd/what have you.

If they do so, they just kill random townie A and you die regardless of whatever protective presumably exists to keep you alive. They might even choose to do so if you telegraph your shot and it's targeting town.

If you ARE shooting, but they don't know who, they have to gamble on whether to use their power defensively or offensively (Or holster for a stronger use later). Scum having less perfect information when choosing how to use their powers is ideal.

The downside is that theoretically you could hit a TPR who would otherwise claim and be NK'd, but that's a low risk scenario.

[Bingle]

ONE kill

One kill, presumably on skitter. Who, in the case that we're low power with a BD, is a large portion of our power.

[Menalque]

Bingle, in relation to skitter’s points earlier — do you think you’ve done anything particularly townie in terms of play/that there are reasons to be townreading or townblocing you?

[Bingle]

No, not really.

I understand the reasons people have given for town reading me, but I would not townread me based on those reasons if that makes sense.

[Bingle]

Like, for example, Blake's logic about me not killing her is flawed, but it's flawed logic that townBlake would absolutely follow. I can understand that she does townread me, but I don't think the townread is something that necessarily would net results.

I don't think I'm a traditionally readable player, in that when I actually become obvtown it's usually based on an outcome of what I've been pushing or not pushing. You can absolutely trust me to be town at the point where I make it impossible for scum me to win the game.

[Datisi]

bing would scum you pocket me as blatantly as you did

[Bingle]

Yes. Because pocketing someone is NAI for me. It is helpful to both scumBingle and townBingle, therefore I don't try to hide that I'm doing it when I'm scum.

[Datisi]

ouch my townreads

ok back to beer and cards, later

[Bingle]

Yeah, I'm not easy to townread.

It's kind of the core of PP's Bingle philosophy.

I'm crazy open as both alignments and act as transparently protown as possible. I thus am ALWAYS a good cop target.

The reason my scumgame doesn't suffer as a result is that despite that, I'm actually a useful player, especially in the late game, so killing me is usually low reward.

[Bingle]

My tinfoil theory, btw, is Maria/SS. I'm not sure about a 3rd even existing, but am specifically not townreading Warmpuppy/PP. I don't think Lilith/SS is likely to be S/S and I don't see an obvious partner for Lilith. As such, I prefer an SS lynch to a Lilith one.

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 2.3

lilith2013 [4]:

Menalque [2433], Almost50 [2467], PenguinPower [2470], Blake Belladonna [2720]

-- [L-2]

Something_Smart [3]:

skitter30 [2389], Firebringer [2424], Bingle [2740]

Not Voting [4]:

MariaR, Something_Smart, lilith2013, Datisi [2806]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

[Almost50]

VOTE: S_S

L-2

If Bingle is spot on then S_S/Maria should be on lillith, and lillith may or may not vote S_S (survival vs TRing S_S), so Datisi is probably the decider.

[Datisi]

oh no

[Almost50]

[Almost50]

S_S flip should help me (and many others) better my/their reads. lillith probably doesn't get to LyLo either way.

[Almost50]

And if lillith is Town and wrongfully TRing S_S she will reconsider all her reads. The only problem here is if lillith is Scum and S_S is Town.

[MariaR]

I'm quite surprised I haven't been pushed today when I was coming back expecting votes. I'll try to get some energy for this game soon. Mafia rn is just a drag for me

[MariaR]

Maybe I can just ask to be vigged since I don't think I make end game here and it's best to get my flip while we can. Or maybe that's just me being tired.
VOTE: Lilith

[MariaR]

(Btw All you have to do is take a look at how me and S_S interacted to see how we're never scum together.)

[Menalque]

(Btw All you have to do is take a look at how me and S_S interacted to see how we're never scum together.)

But like... you barely interacted at all?

Why do you prefer lilith anyway

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

[MariaR]

(Btw All you have to do is take a look at how me and S_S interacted to see how we're never scum together.)

But like... you barely interacted at all?

Why do you prefer lilith anyway

Bingo. You think a team that has me as scum on it wouldn't have good interactions with my partners? Come on now. Plus S_S yelled at me and I would never let him do that to me as scum. I prefer Lilith because I've at points townread S_S more than I have her

[Menalque]

Is this true? I can’t remember how much you interacted with your partners in furret’s pt2 but my feeling is that it wasn’t loads?

[Menalque]

Also why would you not let S_S yell at you as scum, I often try to get my partners to yell at me when we’re scum together because people continually misread aggression as not aligned