Mini Normal 2148 (Post Game)

[stungun0404]

*especially in some of his earlier posts

[bob3141]

I’ts very hard considering I’m having trouble figuring you out rn

I think so far this is least AI germa has been in any game ive played with him so far.

The first time when i felt he was town. When i managed to derail his lynch as i saw slight signs he was town. The wagon switched to me as everyoen was scum reading germa.

And you know about the last. His stuborn vote on trollie convinced me he was scum planing to force a last minute lynch on 3 players i thought were town. trollie, drew and danny. rather than you doing that

[Battle Mage]

Yeah, that's strange, I'm ngl... I will need explanation for that.

my pizza had just turned up and I wanted to watch the football while I ate.

Poor old GC, clutching at straws a bit. If the posting slows a little bit, I'll catch up on some stuff shortly - there's a lot to catch up on across all my games so I'm not promising to respond to everything tonight.

[stungun0404]

Here's a town game of GC's that looks remarkably different from this game of his (compare his ISO here).

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... %5B%5D=150
Lots of townreads, and lots of observing good things about players.

Here in this game, very minimal townreads, and a lot of observing bad things about players, which seems shady compared to his ISO from that game.

[Green Crayons]

So we’re back to:

Someone give me the short version of why we’re voting gc I was leaning town there

He doesn't like that I voice suspicions of players without some sort of counterbalancing of voicing my opinion about players who are town (even though elsewhere he recognizes that I do that too).

[votato]

yeah at this point im fine with a GC or BM lynch.

[Battle Mage]

I timed out trying to catch up on other games, will return tomorrow.

[stungun0404]

Just wasted my time looking at a couple Not_Mafia games, Open 779 (scum) and Newbie 1985 (town). Pretty redundant in both, similar posting style and attitude, slightly more trigger happy with the vote as scum but nothing much to get excited about. So could go either way here, and expect more of the same.

In other news, I've decided HK 50 is actually town, and figured out the most likely reason why Green Crayons voted Dunnstral. So that's something!

This is perhaps the one post BM has made that makes me reluctant to think he's scum. I got a very weak townlean out of it. I don't necessarily have that post yet with GC, but feel very confident in one of them being scum so that is definitely where I would like to lynch today.

I almost feel like scum doesn't even bother with trying to sort nm through meta (the nullest player there is), but granted he does not come up with a concrete conclusion for it, so it's not like he takes a hard stance or anything. So in the end, I am not sure what I should take from this, although I know that early on it was a reason for a slight townlean on BM.

This, of course assumes BM has experience with nm, though.

OTOH, with BM, I don't spot any sense of urgency in his scumhunting pursuit, and I don't like having that feel.

I'm not against voting him out, and would prefer him over Dunnstral because there is more substance there, as there really isn't much substance to a Dunn lynch except for a few posts made at the beginning of the game that really could just be town making a few early-game declarations based off what they felt which have been taken out of context. That said, I am open to potentially lynching him tomorrow, provided today's flip is scum. I really don't feel confident yet on Dunn flipping scum, especially since there has seemed to be little pushback to his wagon since the votato wagon dissolved. That is, taking away my own push/case on GC.

[Malakittens]

[Ineffectual mentality:]

Currently my circuits are quite encumbered by vast amounts of backproccesses.

In the mundane sense, I'm the equivalent of being "very tired and stressed" for an organic.

As such, I shall not come to correct you all on who scum is just yet no no no. I am going to enjoy a nice long diagnostic in my quarters. However, to avoid being struck with the very overdue prod, know this: master Dunnstral still looks scummy. This is not the prod dodge you are looking for.

[Statement:]

I also wasnt aware you could actually give another player control of your vote. Interesting.

Same. I thought he was joking until the vote count and it looks like I might actually have control of his vote.

[Malakittens]

you're awfully defensive GC. your tone doesn't seem very town to me.

in fact, you remind me a lot of mathblade!scum. If others aren't sold on GC so far outside of the ones on his wagon, I can show you similarities between GC's game this game and a game I played where Mathblade was scum, because in some ways they have been strikingly similar.

[Malakittens]

Kinda feeling a TvT on Stun/GC.

Also don’t agree with placing someone else meta on another player. I mean I have my own tell with Mathblade!scum and if I had to admit that GC did trigger that tell, he did, but unless they are the same player (which they arent) I’m not going to scum read him due to it.

[notscience]

Copycat

I told you I was serious and why I was doing it if you don’t believe me ask votato

[notscience]

Literally until klick came in I was dragging towns lifeless body behind me and I’m now traumatized

I also figure if you’re scum you’d be too paranoid of me reactio texting you to abuse it

[notscience]

Robot what’s your thoughts on gc/stun

[Not_Mafia]

yeah at this point im fine with a GC or BM lynch.

Cool, join me on BM then

[Battle Mage]

sorry folks, I'm not gonna have as much free time as I thought when I signed up to this, so will have to

request replacement

Hope to see you all in the mountains!

[Not_Mafia]

Scum fleeing the scene of the crime ^

[DoctorPepper]

... I'm sorry but isn't replacing out NAI?

[Green Crayons]

He’s quitting without giving us the nonexistent AI justification for his votato vote that he totally promises that he has and has had all along.

I’m sorry but that’s trash. Even if he isn’t lying about not enough free time, he chose to quit *this* game before giving that supposedly already-existing justification. BM claimed that he could tell us his AI justification for votato! It would supposedly show that my suspicions of him are completely baseless! He just doesn’t want to because ——.

And the replacement will say “sorry folks I’m not a mind reader who knows what BM was thinking.”

[Green Crayons]

Yeah, that's strange, I'm ngl... I will need explanation for that.

my pizza had just turned up and I wanted to watch the football while I ate.

Poor old GC, clutching at straws a bit. If the posting slows a little bit, I'll catch up on some stuff shortly - there's a lot to catch up on across all my games so I'm not promising to respond to everything tonight.

Literally the time it took to write this post would have been the time BM needed to tell us his AI justification for voting votato.

Remember: BM said that he already reasoned why stun’s meta analysis was AI all the way back when BM voted votato. So BM should be able to just spit it out.

He hasn’t because he’s lying. You can’t spin stun’s NAI meta analysis into an AI meta analysis.

Lynch all liars. BM is scum.

[geraintm]

woah, Canyons is not letting this drop. I am not sure what to make of this *right now* but I want to keep it in mind for later in the game when we know more about canyons and Battle Mage/their replacement.

it seems overly forced

[Green Crayons]

You have my name wrong.

[Green Crayons]

That’s some weak tea. Vote BM. He’s obviously scum.

[Battle Mage]

You were town in this game and were very active at the start (22 posts on the first day and then a big analysis immediately starting the next day), which contradicts the activity argument.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11763957

And so did the newbie 2006 game you cited, you had 12 posts on the first day the game was available.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11902283

This game, you had 3 posts and then disappeared for about 3 days, until a wagon formed on you.

While you may be fairly active in some of your scum games, this evidence does not suggest that in your town games you are always lurking at the start. Thus, I don't think this initial analysis into your gameplay is very alignment-indicative, as it seems you are breaking pattern regardless of alignment.

As I haven't actually been replaced yet, assume I can still respond? Just to save my successor getting loads of abuse over nothing, as it really isn't that important.

Stungun's analysis above. Uses 3 games to demonstrate that Votato is active on Day 1 as town, and not active here, suggesting it

IS

AI.

She then vaguely points to unreferenced games noting he "

may

be fairly active in some of your scum games", which obviously carries less weight. I haven't seen these scum games, so on basis of Stungun's actual meta analysis (the referenced games), I concluded the activity level of Votato could be scum indicative.

Although worth noting:

A. That wasn't the only reason for my vote - just one that GC has tried to strawman and attack me for.
B. It was an early Day 1 wagon vote, so with respect, it wasn't based on loads of robust evidence - you've seen me play before right?

I'm replacing out because I don't have time to do the analysis on this game I'd like to, and me not being able to keep up will suck for everyone.

Seriously, lynch Green Crayons though.

[Green Crayons]

That’s not a half bad explanation.

It doesn’t erase the fact that it took you this long to actually voice it.