Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[skitter30]

i think in the town!ss universe fire has a lot of scum equity, as does mariar

[Something_Smart]

I’m not asking for a point by point refutation but I would like you to say what you think was generally wrong with my thinking there

Just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm referring to 2957.

Probably the biggest single thing is that you're taking everything I was saying really literally (like for instance, that I don't scumhunt on D1) when they are emblematic of how I approach the game in general and not absolute incontrovertible law. Your comment about 662 is a good example of this-- I said that scum was probably going to be doing similar things to town at that point. You said you disagreed with that, but it misses the point that that's still a very good representation of how I think-- it is always better to assume that something is NAI than to assume that it is AI.

The other thing I'd like to mention is the turkey thing, you seemed surprised that it could kill my motivation that badly. I guess you've never played in a game where that kind of thing has happened, but here is an example; I was a JOAT with a cop shot and I copped the N1 kill and was tilted for pretty much the entirety of D2. You said that you don't think what gobble did was bad but I heavily disagree, and when you try to think about the way I see the game I should think you'd be able to understand that. What he did basically demolished any chance we had of a normal D1.

[Something_Smart]

ok i think this would have been a useful thing to know and to explain why you reacted that way and your explanation makes a lot more sense in this context

Sorry, I did mention it, but to be perfectly honest I didn't want to dwell on it because I didn't want to come off like I was bragging

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:

[Something_Smart]

now the trick is to figure out if ss v lilith contains {any} scum and how their alignments explain the weird/stalled gamestate

Surface level analysis says we are the same alignment and that's why scum don't care which of us gets lynched. The same surface level analysis suggests that scum will try to shift to lilith because she now has more PR equity than me.

Needless to say, I don't trust surface level analysis, and that's why I said there's a reasonable chance she's being bussed.

[skitter30]

i think you made an offhand reference that i didn't bother digging up

but basically to summarize what i thought / am thinking about this:
- your approach to gobbles's sk retraction didn't make sense to me
- i thought it was scummy because i didn't understand where it was coming from
- i pushed you over it
- you give prior context that explains why you would have the reaction you did
- i understand your mindset wrt gobbles as it makes sense in the kaede context
- i don't think it was scummy anymore

so i feel like a large part of why i was scumreading you kinda collapsed so now i to reorient myself

[skitter30]

yeah that's why i'm pivoting off of lilith too because the stalled gamestate kinda points to town!lilith if you're town too imo

[Something_Smart]

Now that your read on me has shifted, what do you make of lilith launching a defense of me when I was getting pressured pretty strongly? Do you think that she would be likely to take that angle as scum?

[skitter30]

felt wk-y to me
(i was thinking that even while i was scumreading you, it was confusing)

[Menalque]

*thonk*

[Bingle]

Bingle is a scumlean. I know it's stale, but it's the only scum lead I have and it's better than nothing. It feels like he's trying to control the gamestate while keeping his distance. He jumped on my wagon earlier citing skitter's dubious reasoning and wouldn't engage me on it; he's challenged my mechanics but doesn't seem interested in talking it out. In other words, he's distant, and doesn't really seem to be engaging.

Lynx?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Maria

@Menalque: Vote with me ans skitter, please. Anyone else is welcome to join too.

[Menalque]

VOTE: Maria

@Menalque: Vote with me ans skitter, please. Anyone else is welcome to join too.

Why calling out to me specifically monkey man?

[Datisi]

VOTE: maria

[Blake Belladonna]

Wow. The tension got deleted really quickly.

[Menalque]

Bingle is a scumlean. I know it's stale, but it's the only scum lead I have and it's better than nothing. It feels like he's trying to control the gamestate while keeping his distance. He jumped on my wagon earlier citing skitter's dubious reasoning and wouldn't engage me on it; he's challenged my mechanics but doesn't seem interested in talking it out. In other words, he's distant, and doesn't really seem to be engaging.

Lynx?

Spoiler:

[Menalque]

Sigh

[Menalque]

Bingle is a scumlean. I know it's stale, but it's the only scum lead I have and it's better than nothing. It feels like he's trying to control the gamestate while keeping his distance. He jumped on my wagon earlier citing skitter's dubious reasoning and wouldn't engage me on it; he's challenged my mechanics but doesn't seem interested in talking it out. In other words, he's distant, and doesn't really seem to be engaging.

Lynx?

Spoiler:

[Blake Belladonna]

Whatever.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Menalque]

Hmm

[skitter30]

Bingle what do u think of ss's posting?

[Bingle]

It doesn’t really resolve any of my gut issues with him. My issue with him pushing gobbles was never about the what but the how. S’why I want him to elaborate on his scumread on me. I want to try to figure out whether he’s scum or town from the elaboration.

[PenguinPower]

S'why.

[Bingle]

You’re just trying to get to the pagetop to redeem yourself, .peng

[skitter30]

My issue with him pushing gobbles was never about the what but the how.

? What does this mean?