Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[skitter30]

- your reads were utterly wrong yesterday.
- that all by itself is not a major issue, but you're not really using the flips/my claim to reasses the game state and figure out who you should be pushing
- you seem very complacent with the current gamestate

First point isn't a reason to scumread someone
Second one is wrong. If I really didn't care or want to relook at the game I would be hard pushing Blake right now.
I'm using today to look at flips and see where I need to look at. So I'm taking a back seat. If you think that's scummy then oh well.

i mean the qualifier on the second point indicated that by itself i didn't think that the first point was a reason to scumread you
and this is the first that i've heard about you wanting to push blake? like if you're not showing where you're reassesing in thread it's kinda hard for me to see it ... ?

[skitter30]

I'm not going to apply experience from four years ago on that question, so the sample size is really too small. I think she's only been town once since returning (not counting a hydra game that I think she barely participated in), and she died N1.

fair enough, i mostly asked cuz her motivation majorly dropped in city too

[Something_Smart]

I don’t think that’s a defense tbh. Everyone gets wagoned.

What would be a defense of? Do you think her lurking here is scummy?

[Something_Smart]

fair enough, i mostly asked cuz her motivation majorly dropped in city too

I'm pretty sure she was genuinely busy, and she was in a hydra so it was okay if she let her activity drop in favor of more important things. I don't think alignment had anything to do with it.

[PenguinPower]

I don’t think that’s a defense tbh. Everyone gets wagoned.

What would be a defense of? Do you think her lurking here is scummy?

I think her overall play has been scummy, yes, which is why I’m voting her.

[MariaR]

- your reads were utterly wrong yesterday.
- that all by itself is not a major issue, but you're not really using the flips/my claim to reasses the game state and figure out who you should be pushing
- you seem very complacent with the current gamestate

First point isn't a reason to scumread someone
Second one is wrong. If I really didn't care or want to relook at the game I would be hard pushing Blake right now.
I'm using today to look at flips and see where I need to look at. So I'm taking a back seat. If you think that's scummy then oh well.

i mean the qualifier on the second point indicated that by itself i didn't think that the first point was a reason to scumread you
and this is the first that i've heard about you wanting to push blake? like if you're not showing where you're reassesing in thread it's kinda hard for me to see it ... ?

I've openly said I want to push Blake before so I don't see a reason to talk about that.

[skitter30]

ok i apparently misremembered that you've said that, sorry
i don't know who to vote rn

[PenguinPower]

Just listen to the wind and it will tell you who to vote. Listen carefully.

lilith

[lilith2013]

sorry, i've been working until 4am this week and this game isn't really a huge priority for me atm. in hindsight i probably shouldn't have joined this game knowing i'd be busy, but i thought it'd be more manageable than this :/

[lilith2013]

i'm a bit shocked that i wasn't immediately run up after SS's wagon died and i think that means mena is probably town. i think i'm still here:

VOTE: blake

[lilith2013]

i guess i would also be okay voting maria but nothing she's said has particularly pinged me? whereas blake has felt very distant from my wagon all game

[Menalque]

Datisi, skitter, S_S - town
Blake
A50 - townlean
Bingle, PP - null
lilith
Firebringer - scum?
Maria

[Menalque]

VOTE: maria

[Menalque]

I kind of equivocated on whether PP should be with bingle or lilith, and on where lilith should be

Also I don’t know that I scumread firebringer so much as I don’t see him as town and I think even the other slots are more deseable as town than him. Idk, I’d like those reads though fb, and a gamestate impression, don’t hold out on me

[MariaR]

Let me kill the one and only player in the game townreading me after hard tunneling a VT flip. Yeah, that's not how it works. Honestly people are voting me just for the sake of it. The only one who put some effort into it is Skitter. Let me go look into something before I sleep

[Menalque]

Let me kill the one and only player in the game townreading me after hard tunneling a VT flip. Yeah, that's not how it works. Honestly people are voting me just for the sake of

But pb was vigged?

[MariaR]

PB also did townread S_S and go for Blake/Lilith. I think only 1 of those ladies are probably scum. Feels very weird to bus when I doubt either of them make end game. Hm, surely Mena/Datsi don't have scum in it right? Unless Skitter is just scum who is fake claiming the mafia shot mafia probably shot at Pink too.
pedit: We have no reason to believe mafia didn't shoot him.

[Menalque]

i'm a bit shocked that i wasn't immediately run up after SS's wagon died and i think that means mena is probably town

Extrapolate?

[MariaR]

Oh Bingle is in this game. I guess they can die. PP/SS/A50 will remain as townreads.

[Menalque]

We have no reason to believe mafia didn't shoot him.

...the fact he’s dead and a big shot him and there are multiple possible roles that either block a kill on someone or stop someone killing seems like a reason to believe mafia didn’t shoot him?

[Menalque]

I think pure boi being double killed is substantially less likely than the scumkill being missing due to some protective factor/hiding role

[MariaR]

I think you're missing the more important point of the post.

[Menalque]

Quite possibly, I’m p tired

If skitt is scum fakeclaiming the shot how is she planning to explain the lack of additional NKs on additional nights? And why claim it there at what I think would be a very pro-town time to claim to avoid the discussion going off into a load of speculation on why scum made a weird NK

I’m still thinking about lil. I don’t think Blake is scum although admittedly I’m not super confident in my ability to read her

[MariaR]

Both of our town flips have called me town. Has anyone posted reasons on why I'm scum that aren't skitter? Nope. Almost said something about gobble but that was already proven false. Datsi and you? Not a word. Wanna know the number of players expressing townreads on me? It's 1 or 0. Scum me having no townreads on her? Not a thing.
pedit: Calling PB a weird nk in the first place is odd. But anyway, the skitter talk is proven by her shooting another night so no need to go in on it more. That also wasn't the point. That gets proven tonight or not.

[Menalque]

Also, while she still can and does take me for a ride sometimes I also think skitter is just very town off play at this point