Newbie 2010: Pride Month | Game Over

[gibus]

Why this game specifically, gibus?

Most of the slots have very little information to scumread, so I thought scum would try to do that to weaken PoE.

[Nauci]

@Elmo: I wouldn’t say I’m getting defensive so much as not really understanding why you suspect me.

@Ghost Ganster: Homura has been relatively inactive as town in previous games.

Could you explain why you want me dead? And why you think Umlaut is town?

Pedit: I wasn’t flipping out or panicking at all.

Hmm I think Snow is town

[Nauci]

I don't understand my predecessor's push on Snow either but I don't see why she would do something so abrasive if this slot were scum when she's plenty experienced enough to know it would become low hanging fruit

Pii and Ghost Ganster (now M2H? Haven't gotten that far yet) aren't scum together, I'm pretty sure

and I don't think Raya and Pi could be scum together either

I feel pretty good about Raya being town but admittedly I am biased simply because I agree with so many of their posts

I'm only on page 7 but I have a stronger-than-typical-by-page-7 scum lean on Ghost Ganster

His long post was the sort of ramble that I have definitely employed as scum to sound like I am evaluating people and really trying to get reads, but without actually making my mind up much on anybody. Like, the way that there are so many posts that have scum equity to him SO early on in the game just feels more like a scum player who is actively trying to read every post in a bad light in order to scum case them and keep multiple push options open. The scum read is then seriously compounded by the fact that after that noise, and with real substance in the game, he defaulted to a poke-the-lurkers stance. He even said that he tries to have reads early in the game to the point of forcing/faking them early on, used that stance to criticize another player for not having strong reads by like page 5, but all he came up with after those posts is policy voting a lurker. That just feels like scummy hesitation because the scum equity posts he talked about feel like too much of a reach even for him.

I have a town lean on Snow for the unnecessary defense of Homura (insofar as saying that inactivity is NAI) and a town lean on Pi for their reaction to the big Ghost Ganster post and Raya's commentary on it, even if I disagree with it. Essentially... I agree with Raya's 139.

I think GG's 163 misconstrue's Raya's posts quite a bit but I'm not sure yet if it was intentional or not. Scum!Pi had the option of siding with GG to scumread Raya or siding with Raya to scumread GG but did neither and considered both town which is something that town is more likely to do since there's no scum agenda. So the concept of scum trying to look busy doesn't apply here at all because that requires shading people without actively pushing them. Raya explains this well in 188

I can't precisely pinpoint why but I have a gut scum lean on Umlaut and Gibus as of page 8

[Nauci]

I'd be interested to hear that town lean explained more actually.

Do you think scum would force a town read on me?

I feel like scum would be more likely to go after easy targets than someone seeming towny very early on. Not very strong, but at that stage it was better than nothing.

pedit: well, not my fault I happened to post at that time, is it?

I totally agree with this sentiment as well.

[Nauci]

Scum are found more often on wagons. I guess you've never played with Bob before, because he'll drive that point home until you're mad. Obviously everyone is found more often on wagons, but scum are generally more wagon hoppy/opportunistic, since they're happier to wagon anyone that isn't them, while town may go vanity for others.

My anecdata has showed the opposite; scum are more wary of the optics of wagon hopping while town are frequently all over the place chasing down one lead or another

[keyenpeydee]

Vote count 1.12

The Demisexual Flag

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(L-2) Nauci

- Snowblaze, Hectic, Umlaut,

(1) Hectic

- piisirrational,

(1) gibus

- M2H,

(1) Snowblaze

- Nauci,

(1) Raya36

- gibus,

(2) Not Voting

- Homura, Raya36

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[gibus]

UNVOTE: Raya36
I'm most probably wrong about Raya I guess.

Preferably I'd vote in {Hectic, Homura}

[Nauci]

Raya, do you have any scumreads?

ghost as my scumread right now. Pi is my strongest townread as well.

Which reminds me I should do this:
VOTE: Ghost

This vote on my slot would be a ballsy move for scum considering that at this point my slot from the perspective of the scum team was already being townread/seemed like a slot that would obv quickly.

From the perspective of scum, scumreading a top townread is a viable option to keep town disorganised. It maybe a ballsy move to do as scum, but that can't be a reason to townread an experienced player IMO.

If I were in the game when this post was made I would be more understanding but I was not so I do not understand where the sentiment comes from, particularly if it's

specifcally for this game

.

[Nauci]

Well I'm caught up now, but I can't believe how close to deadline this game is for having only 14 pages. There's not a ton of alignment indicative interactions yet simply because it's been slow and there has really been a lack of real time interactions.

I'm sorry that Elmo wasn't able to come in and answer the questions but I know that she is an extremely busy person between her job and probably like modding 3 games at a time.

Anyway, I don't see her case on Snow and I generally disagree with it.

I have a town read on Raya, town lean on Snowblaze and Pi, null-paranoia on Hectic, entirely-null on Homura, scumlean on Umlaut (Umlaut is a pretty darn good player so I haven't seen anything here that isn't, IMO, a "towny" or "scumhunting" post which would be easily imitable by Scumlaut), Gibus, and Ghost.

However, I concede that M2H's posts were pinging me as town instead of scum unlike Ghost's posts.

VOTE: Gibus

Gibus you have been all over the place today and not explained a whole lot of it. You somewhat explained your reads on Elmo and Raya but now neither are in your lynch pool, while I've not seen you case either Hectic or Homura at all. Why did they suddenly become your preferred lynch pool? I mean, why am I

not

in there if you were scumreading Elmo AND particularly paranoid about me after our last game together?

I'm going to be around for a few hours even if I'm just mobile posting while a bit stoned on painkillers. Let's see if we can properly resuscitate the game in its last 40 hours.

[gibus]

I don't think I ever scumread Elmo. I'm getting town pings from your posts and I like your explanation for Elmo's actions.

I initially disagreed with Snow's read on Raya but I realised it would have been a bad trade off to be scum motivated. That's why I flip flopped on their slot.

[gibus]

I don't think Scumlaut would hop on three different major wagons knowing that wagon analysis is a hot topic. That's part of why I'm townreading him

[Nauci]

I don't understand how wagon analysis can even be a topic of discussion when the game is only 14 pages into day 1

But you still didn't explain why those 2 players are your preferred votes

And if they are your preferred votes, why don't you vote there's

[Nauci]

Goddamnit autocorrect

[Nauci]

I read Elmo's 1989 scum game and 2000 town game and noticed that town!AzN was aggressive with their votes (mobile) similar to their play here, while scum!AzN was much more static.
Does this hold any significance?

My bad, I misread this post and mentally swapped "town!" And "scum!" because several people were strongly scum reading Elmo

[gibus]

But you still didn't explain why those 2 players are your preferred votes

And if they are your preferred votes, why don't you vote there

I feel good about the rest of the playerlist.
VOTE: Hectic

[Snowblaze]

UNVOTE: Nauci. At least for now.

I'm starting to lean towards a possible scum!gibus, but I'm not confident enough to vote there just yet.

@gibus: why Hectic over Homura there? Is it just because Hectic already has a vote?

[gibus]

@gibus: why Hectic over Homura there? Is it just because Hectic already has a vote?

I'm reasonable sure Elmo was scum. Her alt is Red Panda, and she was relatively active on there while she completely lurked it out here after we started accusing her.

This doesn't feel right. Elmo was relatively active in their scum games (the ones I've seen at least, Red Panda's 2007 included) and they lurked before the wagon was even formed on them. There is a line between unmotivated!Elmo and scum!Elmo doing this, and I'm pretty sure it's the former. It looks like a bad faith push.

I'm curious to see how Homura's reads will progress after D1 since there isn't much in their ISO, I prefer Hectic right now.

[gibus]

I'm starting to lean towards a possible scum!gibus

Why?

[Snowblaze]

I'm starting to lean towards a possible scum!gibus

Why?

Well, other than the initial weak townlean you haven't really given me any reason to think you're town, and then what M2H and Nauci said about your read on Raya is making me suspicious. I'll need to read back through your ISO to get a solid read, though. Will do that now!

[Nauci]

I don't think Scumlaut would hop on three different major wagons knowing that wagon analysis is a hot topic. That's part of why I'm townreading him

Dons SE hat

Wagon analysis is only really applicable after a flip has occurred and is therefore not usually mentioned in the middle of day 1

Removes SE hat

So that makes this very strange reasoning to give Umlaut a pass

Sometimes town hops all over the place pressuring multiple people; sometimes scum do it because they don't much care who gets mislynched so they're not committed to any particular vote. You have to analyze motivations for doing so and a player like Umlaut wouldn't be worried about the raw optics of voting different wagons.

[gibus]

Oh. By wagon analysis I meant someone pointing that out as "wagon shopping", which I thought Scumlaut would be wary of. But I see what you mean

[Raya36]

Why are so many people lurking? For a 17 player game with 4 scum, this is basically dead.

There's definitely at least 1 of the scum lurking. It's way too quiet

[Raya36]

Why are so many people lurking? For a 17 player game with 4 scum, this is basically dead.

It’s not 17p... it’s 9p. 7t 2m. Derp clear denied.

7 traitors, 2 mafia? I'm not an expert in setup design but I don't think that sounds fair to town. I may be wrong though, because I'm no expert in setup design.

Luckily for you I'm an expert in setup design and this is actually extremely town sided

[Raya36]

Probably time for us to all put our cards on the table since deadline is approaching.

Reads:

• M2H is so town it hurts
  
• Raya36 also pretty town
  
• Snowblaze is a tough call but I'm leaning town
  
• gibus and Homura are dead null
  
• Pi is null too but I'm more paranoid there
  
• One of Nauci or Hectic is probably scum

This is a good post from Umlaut

[Raya36]

I don't understand my predecessor's push on Snow either but I don't see why she would do something so abrasive if this slot were scum when she's plenty experienced enough to know it would become low hanging fruit

Pii and Ghost Ganster (now M2H? Haven't gotten that far yet) aren't scum together, I'm pretty sure

and I don't think Raya and Pi could be scum together either

I feel pretty good about Raya being town but admittedly I am biased simply because I agree with so many of their posts

I'm only on page 7 but I have a stronger-than-typical-by-page-7 scum lean on Ghost Ganster

His long post was the sort of ramble that I have definitely employed as scum to sound like I am evaluating people and really trying to get reads, but without actually making my mind up much on anybody. Like, the way that there are so many posts that have scum equity to him SO early on in the game just feels more like a scum player who is actively trying to read every post in a bad light in order to scum case them and keep multiple push options open. The scum read is then seriously compounded by the fact that after that noise, and with real substance in the game, he defaulted to a poke-the-lurkers stance. He even said that he tries to have reads early in the game to the point of forcing/faking them early on, used that stance to criticize another player for not having strong reads by like page 5, but all he came up with after those posts is policy voting a lurker. That just feels like scummy hesitation because the scum equity posts he talked about feel like too much of a reach even for him.

I have a town lean on Snow for the unnecessary defense of Homura (insofar as saying that inactivity is NAI) and a town lean on Pi for their reaction to the big Ghost Ganster post and Raya's commentary on it, even if I disagree with it. Essentially... I agree with Raya's 139.

I think GG's 163 misconstrue's Raya's posts quite a bit but I'm not sure yet if it was intentional or not. Scum!Pi had the option of siding with GG to scumread Raya or siding with Raya to scumread GG but did neither and considered both town which is something that town is more likely to do since there's no scum agenda. So the concept of scum trying to look busy doesn't apply here at all because that requires shading people without actively pushing them. Raya explains this well in 188

I can't precisely pinpoint why but I have a gut scum lean on Umlaut and Gibus as of page 8

This post makes me think Nauci is town. It's a really good analysis of some of the players and I agree with most points. Although I'm very 50/50 with Ghost Gangster's slot. I still agree that all I said about them is scummy but their responses seem sufficient.