do you have anything substantial to offer other than trying to get info that probably shouldn't be made public yet?In post 98, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Drew and Kahn who's your lover?
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In post 85, Genghis Khan wrote:SCUMSLIP
votato is in the mindset for getting a mislynch today, which is why he thinks scum will know all the pairs tomorrow. If he's town, he would consider what happens the other 50% of the time when scum is lynched - which he should be aiming for.
You need to explain how post 50 happened.In post 86, Genghis Khan wrote:I am the punishment of God... If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.
VOTE: votato
I'm aware of a occasionally glitch that randomly quotes a post, but it quotes it entirely. You either wrote the quote manually and decided to put my name and post number of my post (7) for whatever reason, or quoted my post delated the contents and posted just the scum slip in it.
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Why do you like it.In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
Why dont you like it.In post 99, bugspray wrote:
this pings meIn post 94, Doctor Drew wrote:
You consider that agression?In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
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Yeah, but it does depend on the answer to that question.In post 100, bugspray wrote:
do you have anything substantial to offer other than trying to get info that probably shouldn't be made public yet?In post 98, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Drew and Kahn who's your lover?
Also since one lover pair already claimed everyone should so we can have as much info as scum to even the playing field.- HoldenGolden
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Drew was pushing on my scum read, and also pushing the game forwards in general.In post 103, HoldenGolden wrote:
Why do you like it.In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
This seems kinda weird. I didn't think 94 was very AI.In post 99, bugspray wrote:
this pings meIn post 94, Doctor Drew wrote:
You consider that agression?In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
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Drew was pushing on my scum read, and also pushing the game forwards in general.In post 103, HoldenGolden wrote:
Why do you like it.In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
This seems kinda weird. I didn't think 94 was very AI.In post 99, bugspray wrote:
this pings meIn post 94, Doctor Drew wrote:
You consider that agression?In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
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Weird entrance to immediately downplay yourself but I don't see newbscum saying this as much as I see it coming from newbtown.In post 9, SleeperSoul wrote:Hey guys, it's my second game! First game is still ongoing in day 1.
My goal this game is to try not to do anything too stupid on day 1.
This comes across as genuine although I'm not sure if this could be AI.In post 23, bugspray wrote:oh so are we voting on players and not pairs so if like it's foo and bar and the indicivudal votes on each of them add up to a lynch its fine?
i think i get it now
Another good point towards town sleeper. I see this being much more town oriented than scum oriented and he's the first to suggest it.In post 27, SleeperSoul wrote:I think https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 5#p5474325 makes a pretty good argument for mass claiming lovers day 1.
This is good and town oriented thinking. It's very clear what the thought process is.In post 28, HoldenGolden wrote:Here's how I see it:
I agree we should eventually mass claim all lover pairs for the reasons outlined there (although i disagree that mafia doesnt gain as much). However, I do find some addtional value in seeing what arises before the claim in terms of reads and how they hold up after the reveal if info.
I cant go that much in depth, since If we end up doing it I rather not telegraph mafia any clue how to react, but for example: Player A scum reads both player B and C. B and C turns out to be a lover pair. How will A respond?
I will admit I just realized a potential flaw which is that we only have four day long day phases, so this may be to chaotic to try and pull off, analyze, and make a lynch in that short timeframe. Nonetheless, I think it's something that should be considered.
This is making me squint a bit at sleeper because Holden made a really good point and it was very a very town-oriented plan outside of the chaos of a short day phase.In post 32, SleeperSoul wrote:@HoldenGolden Whatever we do, we should only claim if everyone claims. Your theorycrafting is already giving me headaches. I think massclaim right away will make everything simpler for everyone, giving a net benefit to town since we outnumber mafia.
Am I missing something? How does scum know all the pairs D2 without us claiming?In post 46, votato wrote:hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark, but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.
i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.
Good catch and really strange.In post 57, HoldenGolden wrote:
Yeah votato said it. Why did you change the person Gengish?In post 46, votato wrote:hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark,but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.
i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.
This is both good and bad... Good that he's willing to sacrifice himself to lynch his lover if scum and that comes from town. But also if sleeper is town and only has a tiny scumlean on votato for not wanting to claim then he shouldn't be so quick to pull the trigger on himself.In post 69, SleeperSoul wrote:Well my only read so far is very slightly scummy on votato for not wanting to claim, so I'm not entirely opposed.
Genghis is giving me scummy vibes. I mean he says this is a scumslip before it's even explained fully but hasn't explained why he changed the posts around earlier which could just as easily be argued to be a scumslip.In post 85, Genghis Khan wrote:SCUMSLIP
votato is in the mindset for getting a mislynch today, which is why he thinks scum will know all the pairs tomorrow. If he's town, he would consider what happens the other 50% of the time when scum is lynched - which he should be aiming for.- Raya36
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then claim your lover?In post 111, Raya36 wrote:Also I am obviously ok with massclaiming lovers"It is not our ignorance that will kill us, but our arrogance"
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Why are you pushing Tux for this when it was my idea to massclaim to begin with?In post 100, bugspray wrote:
do you have anything substantial to offer other than trying to get info that probably shouldn't be made public yet?In post 98, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Drew and Kahn who's your lover?
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In the context of that post you areIn post 114, SleeperSoul wrote:
Why are you pushing Tux for this when it was my idea to massclaim to begin with?In post 100, bugspray wrote:
do you have anything substantial to offer other than trying to get info that probably shouldn't be made public yet?In post 98, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Drew and Kahn who's your lover?
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please keep the lighthearted banter in our PT. you know how jealous i getIn post 116, SleeperSoul wrote:Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter."It is not our ignorance that will kill us, but our arrogance"
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In post 109, votato wrote:unrelated to the game, tuxedo and i are lovers
Agreed to both. That's why I wanted to know if Kahn and Drew were lovers. Now know they aren't their coordination on you seems scummy. The push is weak, and they both made the same weird mistake about Holden. Not sure about Sleeper being so towny though. I like Ray.In post 117, votato wrote:ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.- SleeperSoul
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sleeper is my lover and i feel like by now i can read sleeper decently well. we stay up all night whispering sweet nothings, and have experience from outside this game too."It is not our ignorance that will kill us, but our arrogance"
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Alright. Would you be willing to lynch yourself and votato?In post 116, SleeperSoul wrote:Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter.- votato
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see? up all night together. the solve comes from genghis making the weird misquote thing and coordinating with drew. im pretty sure my iso lays that out already. it certainly lays out all my thoughts on drew.In post 120, SleeperSoul wrote:I do buy that votato could read me like this. But I'm scratching my head at the solve.
I should probably get some rest though, I've been up all night and it's almost noon."It is not our ignorance that will kill us, but our arrogance"
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