Micro 950: Lovers Mafia

bugspray · Post Post #100 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:46 am

In post 98, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Drew and Kahn who's your lover?

do you have anything substantial to offer other than trying to get info that probably shouldn't be made public yet?

HoldenGolden · Post Post #101 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:02 am

Oh drew you were serious with the sleeper scum slip vote?

Is it the newbiescum! Greetings 'slip'?

HoldenGolden · Post Post #102 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:04 am

In post 85, Genghis Khan wrote:SCUMSLIP

votato is in the mindset for getting a mislynch today, which is why he thinks scum will know all the pairs tomorrow. If he's town, he would consider what happens the other 50% of the time when scum is lynched - which he should be aiming for.

In post 86, Genghis Khan wrote:I am the punishment of God... If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.

VOTE: votato

You need to explain how post 50 happened.

I'm aware of a occasionally glitch that randomly quotes a post, but it quotes it entirely. You either wrote the quote manually and decided to put my name and post number of my post (7) for whatever reason, or quoted my post delated the contents and posted just the scum slip in it.

Neither of those make sense.

HoldenGolden · Post Post #103 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:07 am

In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.

Why do you like it.

In post 99, bugspray wrote:
In post 94, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
You consider that agression?
this pings me
VOTE: Drew

Why dont you like it.

It's 5th grade show and tell. Let's get you in front of the class and sharing.

Tuxedo Mask · Post Post #104 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:13 am

In post 100, bugspray wrote:
In post 98, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Drew and Kahn who's your lover?
do you have anything substantial to offer other than trying to get info that probably shouldn't be made public yet?

Yeah, but it does depend on the answer to that question.

Also since one lover pair already claimed everyone should so we can have as much info as scum to even the playing field.

HoldenGolden · Post Post #105 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:34 am

Yeah I'm fine now with a mass claim since the partically claim stunts what I wanted to do.

HoldenGolden · Post Post #106 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:44 am

Me and tuxedo are lovers.

Pop corn to Mr. Khan.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #107 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:59 am

In post 103, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
Why do you like it.

Drew was pushing on my scum read, and also pushing the game forwards in general.

In post 99, bugspray wrote:
In post 94, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
You consider that agression?
this pings me
VOTE: Drew

This seems kinda weird. I didn't think 94 was very AI.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #108 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:00 am

In post 103, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
Why do you like it.

Drew was pushing on my scum read, and also pushing the game forwards in general.

In post 99, bugspray wrote:
In post 94, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
You consider that agression?
this pings me
VOTE: Drew

This seems kinda weird. I didn't think 94 was very AI.

votato · Post Post #109 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:07 am

unrelated to the game, tuxedo and i are lovers

Raya36 · Post Post #110 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:12 am

Catch up post:

In post 9, SleeperSoul wrote:Hey guys, it's my second game! First game is still ongoing in day 1.

My goal this game is to try not to do anything too stupid on day 1.

Weird entrance to immediately downplay yourself but I don't see newbscum saying this as much as I see it coming from newbtown.

In post 23, bugspray wrote:oh so are we voting on players and not pairs so if like it's foo and bar and the indicivudal votes on each of them add up to a lynch its fine?
i think i get it now

This comes across as genuine although I'm not sure if this could be AI.

In post 27, SleeperSoul wrote:I think https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 5#p5474325 makes a pretty good argument for mass claiming lovers day 1.

Another good point towards town sleeper. I see this being much more town oriented than scum oriented and he's the first to suggest it.

In post 28, HoldenGolden wrote:Here's how I see it:

I agree we should eventually mass claim all lover pairs for the reasons outlined there (although i disagree that mafia doesnt gain as much). However, I do find some addtional value in seeing what arises before the claim in terms of reads and how they hold up after the reveal if info.

I cant go that much in depth, since If we end up doing it I rather not telegraph mafia any clue how to react, but for example: Player A scum reads both player B and C. B and C turns out to be a lover pair. How will A respond?

I will admit I just realized a potential flaw which is that we only have four day long day phases, so this may be to chaotic to try and pull off, analyze, and make a lynch in that short timeframe. Nonetheless, I think it's something that should be considered.

This is good and town oriented thinking. It's very clear what the thought process is.

In post 32, SleeperSoul wrote:@HoldenGolden Whatever we do, we should only claim if everyone claims. Your theorycrafting is already giving me headaches. I think massclaim right away will make everything simpler for everyone, giving a net benefit to town since we outnumber mafia.

This is making me squint a bit at sleeper because Holden made a really good point and it was very a very town-oriented plan outside of the chaos of a short day phase.

In post 46, votato wrote:hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark, but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.

i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.

Am I missing something? How does scum know all the pairs D2 without us claiming?

In post 57, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 46, votato wrote:hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark,
but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.

i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.
Yeah votato said it. Why did you change the person Gengish?

Good catch and really strange.

In post 69, SleeperSoul wrote:Well my only read so far is very slightly scummy on votato for not wanting to claim, so I'm not entirely opposed.

This is both good and bad... Good that he's willing to sacrifice himself to lynch his lover if scum and that comes from town. But also if sleeper is town and only has a tiny scumlean on votato for not wanting to claim then he shouldn't be so quick to pull the trigger on himself.

In post 85, Genghis Khan wrote:SCUMSLIP

votato is in the mindset for getting a mislynch today, which is why he thinks scum will know all the pairs tomorrow. If he's town, he would consider what happens the other 50% of the time when scum is lynched - which he should be aiming for.

Genghis is giving me scummy vibes. I mean he says this is a scumslip before it's even explained fully but hasn't explained why he changed the posts around earlier which could just as easily be argued to be a scumslip.

Raya36 · Post Post #111 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:12 am

Also I am obviously ok with massclaiming lovers

votato · Post Post #112 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:14 am

In post 111, Raya36 wrote:Also I am obviously ok with massclaiming lovers

then claim your lover?

Raya36 · Post Post #113 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:16 am

SleeperSoul · Post Post #114 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:17 am

In post 100, bugspray wrote:
In post 98, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Drew and Kahn who's your lover?
do you have anything substantial to offer other than trying to get info that probably shouldn't be made public yet?

Why are you pushing Tux for this when it was my idea to massclaim to begin with?

p-edit:I'm not pulling the trigger on myself, I'm pointing at bugspray.

Raya36 · Post Post #115 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:19 am

In post 114, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 100, bugspray wrote:
In post 98, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Drew and Kahn who's your lover?
do you have anything substantial to offer other than trying to get info that probably shouldn't be made public yet?
Why are you pushing Tux for this when it was my idea to massclaim to begin with?

p-edit:I'm not pulling the trigger on myself, I'm pointing at bugspray.

In the context of that post you are

SleeperSoul · Post Post #116 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:21 am

Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter.

votato · Post Post #117 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:22 am

ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.

votato · Post Post #118 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:22 am

In post 116, SleeperSoul wrote:Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter.

please keep the lighthearted banter in our PT. you know how jealous i get

Tuxedo Mask · Post Post #119 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:27 am

In post 109, votato wrote:unrelated to the game, tuxedo and i are lovers

In post 117, votato wrote:ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.

Agreed to both. That's why I wanted to know if Kahn and Drew were lovers. Now know they aren't their coordination on you seems scummy. The push is weak, and they both made the same weird mistake about Holden. Not sure about Sleeper being so towny though. I like Ray.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #120 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:29 am

I do buy that votato could read me like this. But I'm scratching my head at the solve.

I should probably get some rest though, I've been up all night and it's almost noon.

Tuxedo Mask · Post Post #121 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:30 am

VOTE: Kahn

votato · Post Post #122 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:30 am

sleeper is my lover and i feel like by now i can read sleeper decently well. we stay up all night whispering sweet nothings, and have experience from outside this game too.

Raya36 · Post Post #123 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:30 am

In post 116, SleeperSoul wrote:Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter.

Alright. Would you be willing to lynch yourself and votato?

votato · Post Post #124 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:31 am

In post 120, SleeperSoul wrote:I do buy that votato could read me like this. But I'm scratching my head at the solve.

I should probably get some rest though, I've been up all night and it's almost noon.

see? up all night together. the solve comes from genghis making the weird misquote thing and coordinating with drew. im pretty sure my iso lays that out already. it certainly lays out all my thoughts on drew.