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[NorwegianboyEE]

You're not my psychiatrist, why are you telling me this: "you don't believe you've caught scum" BS and considering i: "might be town" at the same time? These are inherently incoherent thoughts that just prove all the more how you're not considering my slot from a town perspective.

[GuiltyLion]

You're not my psychiatrist, why are you telling me this: "you don't believe you've caught scum" BS and considering i: "might be town" at the same time? These are inherently incoherent thoughts that just prove all the more how you're not considering my slot from a town perspective.

I don't believe you've caught scum because of the way you talk, dude. You display this over the top arrogance/confidence when I don't think that should be really justified, and then at key times you still hedge.

And I am considering you might be town because that's what good town players do. I'm not so arrogant as to assume I always catch scum with my first scumread on D1. If we're TvTing we're creating a really easy game state for scum to exist without pressure.

What about any of this is inconsistent? Why do you keep trying to make seemingly every fucking thing I do be a scumpost? I know you're a better player than that, I

know

you understand the value of questioning yourself about whether you're wrong, trying to see what the game looks like if certain slots are Actually Town even when you're scumreading them.

[GuiltyLion]

EBWOP - I don't believe *that you believe that you've caught scum

[GuiltyLion]

[pencilling in an "at least" in front of my 'one of these two is scum' tier in my readslist]

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're not convincing me. My vote stays on you.

[GuiltyLion]

Here's another question for you to chew on Norway

let's say we are both town. What exactly would be indicators to you that I'm town and we might be wrong on eachother? Would it be me looking at other suspicious slots that are voting me, or would it be me continuing to escalate and maintain a giant 1v1 for the entire day phase?

your "misdirecting" bit really makes no sense to me and I don't know what you actually think I would be doing here in the event that you're wrong and I'm town. If you're at the stage of "literally nothing you do will ever make me rethink this scumread" 2 days and 20 pages into the game, that's a pretty objectively bad way to play mafia, and I honestly would lose some respect for your game if/when I found out you were town. Yes, that's a pretty explicit AtE here, but I stand by it. Your tunnel on me and seeming inability to even entertain the idea that I'm town at this stage is horrendously anti-town and bad play.

[GuiltyLion]

I would also like people who have posted but not bothered to weigh in on Norway v GL (lookin at you osuka & Candy shop) to give some reads on this dynamic

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you don’t like the fact that your scumread then maybe you shouldn’t have played so bad and started the day off by pushing me for quite frankly, awful reasons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nothing you stated in post 302 is scum indicative for me. Yet you played like those were good reasons to vote me.

[GuiltyLion]

If you don’t like the fact that your scumread then maybe you shouldn’t have played so bad and started the day off by pushing me for quite frankly, awful reasons.

Nothing you stated in post 302 is scum indicative for me. Yet you played like those were good reasons to vote me.

of course you're not going to say it's scum indicative

my point, using several examples, was I felt you were awkward in how you spoke about things and that you didn't

feel

like you felt the last time we played together. And that I didn't see you actually doing anything to advance the game.

that's inherently a gut/tone-based thing and obviously you are not going to agree with it, regardless of your alignment. that was for the sake of other players, not you. turning it into a war was all your doing, and I still would come around on you if we were able to find common ground on other townreads/scumreads. But instead you decided to a) challenge me on my townreads, who you yourself have not expressed whether you are scumreading/townreading, and b) refuse to engage today when I asked about another slot I now scumread.

[GuiltyLion]

actually sorry, I was lazy, you did say you were scumreading Nauci, so I'm wrong there

[NorwegianboyEE]

Would town/scum you react differently to my push on you here?

[popopopopopopo]

The other thing I don't like about popoppopoopoppopo's vote:

You previously said Nauci was "forced as fuck" and were voting her. Then she quotes one, yes ONE, post of mine she doesn't like, and votes me, and your response is to put me at L-2 with no hesitation? Did your read on Nauci change? Do you think she just decided to lolbus me cause Norway wants to play like he's some RVS god, even though I later linked a game where I opened the exact same way as town? It seems pretty dissonant to me!

VOTE: popopopopopo

I'm in indentured votitude to norwe if u have a problem with my vote take it up with him

[popopopopopopo]

Truth,

Question 1

What was the thought process behind your miller hood deciding that you would be their representative?

If I was in a group with 3 people and we needed to make a high attention play like that on the first day, we would choose the most experienced player or player with the most relationships with people.

I literally cannot conceive of a scenario where they just go 'Hey June 2020 joinee, take the ball and make the second post in the thread and claim you are a miller mason' and I say that as a June 2020 joinee.

Can you give me a brief summary of the thought process that went into this decision to appoint you as their representative?

Question 2

You were earlier voting for someone accusing you. As soon as I made a post asking if NL can be optimal, you immediately jumped to NL parroting my reasoning that there's no clear info.

If you honestly believed that there were no discernible scum in the beginning like you seemed to believe, why did you vote for LQ the second he started pushing you?

the general school of thought on this site is that miller should claim on their first post. Idk why he claimed the masonry tho

[GuiltyLion]

Norway, honestly I'm not really sure how scum me would respond, I'd probably at least at first play it more cool and be more dismissive to not draw attention, but I will fully admit if/when we did start 1v1ing I'd also be likely to turn on the snark and try to poke holes at your posts much like I've done a few times. I maybe would have acted a little angrier at the post where you said I "disappeared" when I went to bed? cause that'd be freebie emotional/political points to score as scum.

to be clear, I don't want to say you can't scumread me, but I'm the leading wagon so what you can do is at least dignify me with entertaining the idea of who is scum voting me in the event that I'm town. I honestly hadn't paid a ton of attention to your vote/push on Nauci, do you think she does the show of voting and then unvoting as scum? I don't tend to see that from scum on D1, and the paranoia about us committing theater felt genuine to me. She's also been riffing on the you/popopopoppopopoppopop dynamic being awkward which I fully agree with. I feel if both of you are town you should be trying to suss each other out more than you have been

[NorwegianboyEE]

when I went to bed?

I saw you online after i had written that post however, that’s why i said it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And it’s not like i would know what your bed schedule is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel if both of you are town you should be trying to suss each other out more than you have been

So let’s think this through then.
Let’s say Popopo is scum and is approached by a town player that asks them to vote whoever they do. Would they agree? Do you think it’s scum indicative to do so? Why?
Or do you think he should be more paranoid about me?
What exactly are your thoughts regarding this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

For that matter.
@Popopo
What is your read on me?

[popopopopopopo]

Town lean, tho I'm not sure how its relevant

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well. Knowing your reads has it advantages too you know.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

here's my "taking a look at the whole game" reads for Norwegian:

Townies: CSF, Nauci, Lickety, Candy Shop
don't feel like voting today but maybe a scum: Looker, osuka
has not played the game yet: rozyroz
self-resolving: Truth
could see myself voting today: mavsfan, glitch
one of these two is scum: Norway, popopopopoppopopoopp

p-edit: What am I misdirecting away from? I replied directly to the latest two people that voted me

Why is Nauci town again? I feel like she’s been taking safe stances

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town lean, tho I'm not sure how its relevant

Why do you townread me?

[Candy Shop]

Truth,

Question 1

What was the thought process behind your miller hood deciding that you would be their representative?

If I was in a group with 3 people and we needed to make a high attention play like that on the first day, we would choose the most experienced player or player with the most relationships with people.

I literally cannot conceive of a scenario where they just go 'Hey June 2020 joinee, take the ball and make the second post in the thread and claim you are a miller mason' and I say that as a June 2020 joinee.

Can you give me a brief summary of the thought process that went into this decision to appoint you as their representative?

Question 2

You were earlier voting for someone accusing you. As soon as I made a post asking if NL can be optimal, you immediately jumped to NL parroting my reasoning that there's no clear info.

If you honestly believed that there were no discernible scum in the beginning like you seemed to believe, why did you vote for LQ the second he started pushing you?

the general school of thought on this site is that miller should claim on their first post. Idk why he claimed the masonry tho

Yeah I get that but say you're a miller mason or something like that which people will question you about, why would a team choose the most inexperienced person to represent them?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Candy Shop, what do you think of GuiltyLion and Norway?