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If you think it's very clearly to come from a scum gambit, why drew over khan than? Could you try to explain what the payoff of the scum gambit is? I found the actual quotinggating Nai and it was the promoting the slip at an opportune time instead of answering the doubt to be scummy.In post 141, votato wrote:
i mean you're right but at the same time, the fabricated quote seems to pretty clearly come from some sort of scum gambit, and i have a hard time explaining it in any context. so you're right that the coordination story is strange given quotegate, but quotegate is strange in any context, and so i dont think the one can be used to disprove the otherIn post 137, HoldenGolden wrote:Votato, picture me and you as scum for a moment. You indicate to me that you want to coordinate a push onto a townie named KASLAM based off a frabicated scum slip. I say sure but then in the thread you post the slip on KASLAM yet its quoted by another player (or vice versa. KASLAM is quoted saying something he didnt).
Would you expect me to go through with it?
The whole execution of the slip logic is so sloppily done that I dont buy it was premeditated between them. Theres not enough there to support that narrative over others like scum!khan fueling town!drew for example.- HoldenGolden
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Also side note, fucking Alexander the Great is trash. At least with Genghis Khan he successfully governed his territories enough so they could be somewhat fuctional after death.In post 147, Genghis Khan wrote:An action comitted in anger is an action doomed to failure, people.
Anyway, I am heavily overgamed. Calling in Alexander the Great.
Alexander was a great tactician, but ruler? Pff. Couldnt even invade India.- votato
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Yep, this makes sense. I also have the same reads on tux and holden.In post 117, votato wrote:ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.
This also makes sense, except I slightly scum lean Ray. continuing catch-upIn post 119, Tuxedo Mask wrote:In post 109, votato wrote:unrelated to the game, tuxedo and i are lovers
Agreed to both. That's why I wanted to know if Kahn and Drew were lovers. Now know they aren't their coordination on you seems scummy. The push is weak, and they both made the same weird mistake about Holden. Not sure about Sleeper being so towny though. I like Ray.In post 117, votato wrote:ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.
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Alright. Would you be willing to lynch yourself and votato?In post 116, SleeperSoul wrote:Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter.
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see? up all night together. the solve comes from genghis making the weird misquote thing and coordinating with drew. im pretty sure my iso lays that out already. it certainly lays out all my thoughts on drew.In post 120, SleeperSoul wrote:I do buy that votato could read me like this. But I'm scratching my head at the solve.
I should probably get some rest though, I've been up all night and it's almost noon.
uhuh uhuh... i like it!
In post 128, Raya36 wrote:I've never played this setup before but I intend to use my PT to sort Drew and I think that's in the best interest of all town
okay, town leaning Raya now
This makes sense.In post 131, HoldenGolden wrote:Here's my stance on the Mr. Khan/drew situation.
I don't like Khan's 50 (if I mislink, it's the one with the messed up quote) due to not understanding how the hell the quote was messed up that badly. However, I confess that isnt AI on it's own. What I think is scummy is that Khan prioritized pushing the slip without addressing the mess up quote at the same time drew begun to push.
This is very townie.In post 137, HoldenGolden wrote:Votato, picture me and you as scum for a moment. You indicate to me that you want to coordinate a push onto a townie named KASLAM based off a frabicated scum slip. I say sure but then in the thread you post the slip on KASLAM yet its quoted by another player (or vice versa. KASLAM is quoted saying something he didnt).
Would you expect me to go through with it?
The whole execution of the slip logic is so sloppily done that I dont buy it was premeditated between them. Theres not enough there to support that narrative over others like scum!khan fueling town!drew for example.
wtf?In post 147, Genghis Khan wrote:An action comitted in anger is an action doomed to failure, people.
Anyway, I am heavily overgamed. Calling in Alexander the Great.
VOTE: khan
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Can you give some details for why he's such strong town to you?In post 139, SleeperSoul wrote:Guys I've been busy in another game..... based on that game and the PT my town read on votato is pretty strong. I'll try to catch up later.- Tuxedo Mask
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I don't understand how the quote messed up but I don't think that makes sense as a scum gambit. And if it was it was very poorly executed. I mean post 7? Really?In post 146, Genghis Khan wrote:YOU PUSH ME FOR THE QUOTE MIXUP?
Holder's post was quoted from my previous post somehow, and upon realising, I formatted the post to get rid of Holden's but managed to mess it up. How is this in any way scum-motivated?- Raya36
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In post 156, Raya36 wrote:
Can you give some details for why he's such strong town to you?In post 139, SleeperSoul wrote:Guys I've been busy in another game..... based on that game and the PT my town read on votato is pretty strong. I'll try to catch up later.
Because of the other game, I think we can read each other pretty well through live interaction.
Not sure what more I can say without breaking the rules on ongoing games.
In post 159, Raya36 wrote:Can we maybe not L-1 someone getting replaced Sleeper? L-2 is ok but give the replacement time to catch up first maybe
Okay I'll be nice
UNVOTE: khan
But I trust votato's play
p-edit: oh thanks tux, nevermind VOTE: khan- Raya36
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yeah, maybe?In post 162, Raya36 wrote:So its essentially a meta read then correct?
I'd call it a soul-read.- Raya36
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Excpet that I mentioned it in this post......a post that was in direct response to you.In post 136, votato wrote:
you dont think its strange that they both start pushing the same person at the same time? drew is conveniently ignoring khan's quotegateIn post 131, HoldenGolden wrote:Here's my stance on the Mr. Khan/drew situation.
I don't like Khan's 50 (if I mislink, it's the one with the messed up quote) due to not understanding how the hell the quote was messed up that badly. However, I confess that isnt AI on it's own. What I think is scummy is that Khan prioritized pushing the slip without addressing the mess up quote at the same time drew begun to push.
In my eyes, I can see how scum!Khan did that to fuel drew suspicions of votato if drew is town. I dont really get the associated read yet, since I'm not sure why scum would go through the hoopla of faking a scumslip on someone yet made such a big blunder quote wise as well. I also don't buy it was coordinated over Drew's confusion that it was me with the slip.
And I don't think Genghis's slip up was scummy, it did deserve to have the tires kicked on, but I liked his response to it.In post 91, Doctor Drew wrote:In post 89, votato wrote:
i dont think this is the scumslip you're looking for. you're assuming a random lynch. is scum just refuses to bus, 5/6 townies all have to agree on a scum lynch, including 1 townie to self-vote. a mislynch is all but assured today. the game gets interesting tomorrow.In post 85, Genghis Khan wrote:SCUMSLIP
votato is in the mindset for getting a mislynch today, which is why he thinks scum will know all the pairs tomorrow. If he's town, he would consider what happens the other 50% of the time when scum is lynched - which he should be aiming for.
You got caught in a slip, I thought it was Holden who said it but there was some confusion(also an outside chance Genghis did that on purpose, so a little suspicion goes his way).In post 90, votato wrote:
i mean you've posted the full extent of your reads? cuz you havent really said muchIn post 88, Doctor Drew wrote:
Outside of hacking the mod and getting his list of roles for this game.......I have no idea what you are getting on about.In post 87, votato wrote:
i just mean theres nothing else that you havent yet posted?In post 84, Doctor Drew wrote:I clearly don't have a cop guilty on either of you, what kind of question is that?
And my initial post and vote wasn't random.
And I have been he second most active player according to post count, so.....'This might be the first game where I'm townreading Doctor Drew. Not sure if that's a good or bad sign considering he was town the previous 2 times' - Hectic
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by "his responses" you mean this one post? he is indignant, and then gives an explanation that i dont really understand. this one post was enough to persuade you?In post 146, Genghis Khan wrote:YOU PUSH ME FOR THE QUOTE MIXUP?
Holder's post was quoted from my previous post somehow, and upon realising, I formatted the post to get rid of Holden's but managed to mess it up. How is this in any way scum-motivated?"It is not our ignorance that will kill us, but our arrogance"
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Explain scum motivation by purposely fucking up a quote.'This might be the first game where I'm townreading Doctor Drew. Not sure if that's a good or bad sign considering he was town the previous 2 times' - Hectic
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I'm with drew. We talked about this in the PT too. There is 0 scum motivation to mess up a quote. If on purpose I see it more likely to be a town reaction test. But it was a mistake. He quoted post 7 in the post before that one. When he made his new post it glitched and kept post 7 quote coding even though he was intending to quote a different post. He messed up when fixing it.In post 169, votato wrote:
by "his responses" you mean this one post? he is indignant, and then gives an explanation that i dont really understand. this one post was enough to persuade you?In post 146, Genghis Khan wrote:YOU PUSH ME FOR THE QUOTE MIXUP?
Holder's post was quoted from my previous post somehow, and upon realising, I formatted the post to get rid of Holden's but managed to mess it up. How is this in any way scum-motivated?- Raya36
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Am I missing something? How does scum know all the pairs D2 without us claiming?In post 46, votato wrote:hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark, but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.
i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.
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Can you explain why you think this?In post 171, bugspray wrote:Drew x Khan scum - Raya36
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