Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 2.8

MariaR [4]:

Almost50 [3111], Datisi [3113], Menalque [3187], Bingle [3266]

-- [L-2]

lilith2013 [2]:

PenguinPower [2924], Blake Belladonna [3269]

Bingle [2]:

skitter30 [3209], MariaR [3271]

Something_Smart [1]:

Firebringer [2424]

Blake Belladonna [1]:

lilith2013 [3184]

Not Voting [1]:

Something_Smart

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
PenguinPower v/la through Sunday
Firebringer v/la through Sunday

[Blake Belladonna]

Enjoy your edit mark.

[ofrhz]

I was so close

[MariaR]

VOTE: Lilith

[Bingle]

Bingle saying me and S_S look good as scum together while giving no context on how they think scum me would do such a thing or examples is really bad btw.
VOTE: Bingle

I assumed posting "Shitty defense of SS" was enough to reference the following, and no one seemed interested in SS. We need a flip.

Oh S_S is a ML btw.

You think SS is gonna flip scum even after the fact basically everyone was okay with his lynch? That just gives me pause.

(Btw All you have to do is take a look at how me and S_S interacted to see how we're never scum together.)

I prefer Lilith because I've at points townread S_S more than I have her

[MariaR]

That's how you expect scum me to defend a scum buddy? Interesting.

[PenguinPower]

lilith

[MariaR]

That's probably the worst way you

could

defend a scum buddy. The best case in that theory is that someone thinks the interactions are too bad for you to be scum with that person. But that should never be your goal in the first place. If you're gonna defend a buddy go all in or at least make it seem believable. Going for a 'shitty defense' as you call it is not the way.
pedit: I agree with this random voice in my head

[Bingle]

At this point Blake, S_S, and (mostly) bingle are all vanities. If you’re on one you should pick a proper wagon or try to turn the person you’re on into a real wagon if you have a lot of conviction that they’re scum. S_S needs to make an actual vote

I

still

prefer the SS wagon, but it's clear that you and skitts aren't willing to lynch there.

Softdefending gobbles and simultaneously casting shade at the other people soft defending gobbles to hedge his bets against the wagon shifting to a scumbuddy. I think the inverse conclusion (SS is not scum with Skitter/FB/I think there was one more person doing that) is more reliable, though.

Town

skitter30
Almost50
Blake Belladonna
Datisi
Menalque

Null

Firebringer
Penguin Power

Null Scum

lilith2013
MariaR

Scummy

Something_Smart

Given my reads look a little something like this, I think it's perfectly reasonable that I'm voting Maria when my main scumread is not a viable lynch candidate and the other person I think is null scum is probably not scum with said lynch candidate.


I'm also interested in how I'm setting up lynch chains, because I'm pretty sure that's Maria just talking out of her ass.

[Bingle]

That's probably the worst way you

could

defend a scum buddy. The best case in that theory is that someone thinks the interactions are too bad for you to be scum with that person. But that should never be your goal in the first place. If you're gonna defend a buddy go all in or at least make it seem believable. Going for a 'shitty defense' as you call it is not the way.
pedit: I agree with this random voice in my head

I think you didn't give enough of a shit about the game to put in a lot of effort but still wanted to try to shift things away from your partner. It fits my gamestate read of small scumteam, low town power. It fits my townreads. It fits my impression of your recent scumgames, like that one where you got lynched D1. And let's be honest, I don't have the leverage or the wim to deal with a deepwolf in this game.

[Menalque]

S_S, choosing between lilith and Maria who would you rather vote?

[Menalque]

Being scumread is something I'm used to so it's easy for me to tell the logical pushes that make some amount of sense in my mind vs ones I know aren't AI when people think they are. Why do you think I react so calmly under pressure? Because regardless if I'm town or scum it's simple to defend myself. If the game state is so hung up on S_S/Lilith shouldn't that be where most of you are going? Not this Maria flip that if I flip town will just be wasting a lynch and if I'm scum what doors do that open?

No one in this game has expressed a townread on me just others they would lynch first. So if I am scum I'm getting bussed. I would like to believe or at least have enough confidence in my scum ability that I wouldn't be put in that spot in the first place if I was scum. However wifom aside, everyone should really think on how valuable my flip is and how strong that scumread is. Bingle to me is pretty much outted scum because they're smart enough to reach the point I'm bringing to you all right now without having to type it. He's just trying to line up lynches.
pedit: And how is that?
pedit2: I'm not focused on you I'm more focused on trying to survive and prove my points. I have liked your posting a bit more but then that means I need to break into the random townblock that has been made and quite frankly that isn't going to happen with how people see me at the moment.

I don’t think the gamestate is hung up on S_S/lilith and i don’t think it has been for a couple of days. I think it was for a while, and then after _S turned up and towned it up, you got wagoned and then the other votes spread out and the game went quiet. Part of that is because people have been VLA but I could also see this as scum trying to apathy out the game a little. My bigger issue is still: if lilith is scum, why were the people pushing S_S townreads of mine? Why were the scummy slots split across both wagons? I think that makes more sense if they’re both town, and I think you make a lot of sense as scum especially given my earlier point on you suddenly being very invested in the game and not being lynched (possibly a mood thing, sure, and if it is that and I mislynch you for it I apologise but I can also very easily see it as scum you being happy to let the gamestate proceed as it was while town (skitter and I) we’re both pushing town, only to realise you needed to start playing harder once that stopped happening.

And idk if you are being bussed? If you are I think only bingle makes sense and it’s actually proving pretty hard to get a lynch on you with people pushing towards lil and S_S and bingle as other possibilities for today. I think scum is probably avoiding taking a hard stance on you but I’m not at all sold that you’re being bussed based on the resistance I’m feeling. And I actually am more confident in you being scum at this point than I’ve been in anyone being scum all game, the reason that I’ve been hesitant to call it like “Maria is 100% scum guys omg” is (1) I’m trying to be less arrogant than I used to be and more pleasant to play with and (2) I know your reputation and that you’re very good as scum and that I could be wrong in what I’m reading here, but that doesn’t change my feeling of confidence in it or that I want to lynch you, it just stops me having the hubris to say I’ve definitely caught scum!you here.

Finally, if you flip scum I think my theory of the scumteam in (you, PP, Blake, bingle, fb) is more likely to be correct, and that lilith is very likely town. Specifically, if you’re scum I think Blake is quite likely to be scum here, and would proceed on that basis tomorrow. Admittedly, if lilith is scum it would be big and idk what it would mean, but I don’t wanna lynch there because as of right now I think the game makes more sense if she’s town and you’re scum

[Menalque]

Additionally, I also like your avi

[MariaR]

That's probably the worst way you

could

defend a scum buddy. The best case in that theory is that someone thinks the interactions are too bad for you to be scum with that person. But that should never be your goal in the first place. If you're gonna defend a buddy go all in or at least make it seem believable. Going for a 'shitty defense' as you call it is not the way.
pedit: I agree with this random voice in my head

I think you didn't give enough of a shit about the game to put in a lot of effort but still wanted to try to shift things away from your partner. It fits my gamestate read of small scumteam, low town power. It fits my townreads. It fits my impression of your recent scumgames, like that one where you got lynched D1. And let's be honest, I don't have the leverage or the wim to deal with a deepwolf in this game.

This is just an assumption at the end of the day. It’s also one with no merit. If I was able to be caught or meta read off one or two scum games my win rate wouldn’t be as high as it is. Because I would lose more often than not. Clearly that isn’t the case. Yes I got lynched day 1 in a ‘recent’ game but that is the first time it’s ever happened. Your entire argument is just doesn’t work here.

Now you voting me because you don’t think SS is partners with Lilith would be fine if you made any type of progress. But I fail to see that.

[MariaR]

Menaaaa why you gotta respond when I’m reading my romance novel.

Ugh I’ll answer later

[Datisi]

@mod v/la for like 1 day because i am tired

[Menalque]

Menaaaa why you gotta respond when I’m reading my romance novel.

Ugh I’ll answer later

Sorry

That’s cool, we’re not in a rush and tbh skitt needs to get back first before anything happens anyway

[Menalque]

Talking of — lilith where are you and where’s your head at?

[Something_Smart]

S_S, choosing between lilith and Maria who would you rather vote?

...lilith?

I want to hear more from her first though.

[Menalque]

S_S, choosing between lilith and Maria who would you rather vote?

...lilith?

I want to hear more from her first though.

Okay why?

[Something_Smart]

It's pretty much a crapshoot, I have no strong read on either one. I said lilith because her defense of me felt like it could have been whiteknighting and her activity while not exactly scummy is consistent with the archetype of the bus target. And honestly I just have a tendency to townread Maria when she gets wagoned early because she's usually good enough to avoid it as scum? That wasn't true in G&R IV, though.

It's pretty minor things either way. I don't want to vote either one yet, and I want to hear more from both but especially lilith since she's been so absent.

[Menalque]

when she gets wagoned early

We’re 130’pages in my dude, I wouldn’t call this an early wagon. Yeah, okay, I’m fine with waiting for lil to turn up and actually I do wanna hear from her. But like what do you make of the situation where you were both being wagoned if lilith is scum?

[Something_Smart]

Early as in early day, not before there's been much content.

I think I've already talked about the world where lilith is scum? It's the one where her buddies have decided to bus her for some reason or another, probably to make themselves look good, and they chose to commit to it even when my wagon was looking more likely. This is definitely a play she's capable of making, and probably one she'd agree to since she's a good team player.

Do you think that world isn't plausible or likely?

[lilith2013]

i don’t think my reads have changed much recently - current lynchpool is probably like {blake, pp, firebringer, bingle, maria} in roughly order of preference.

in other news, i attempted to run errands for the first time since quarantine started, which turned into an unmitigated disaster. i’m now stranded and not really sure how i’m going to get home? my train is all fucked up so it’s probably going to take me two hours to get home, and i’m carrying three large and extremely heavy bags. so today was/is fun

[lilith2013]

if you have specific questions i can answer stuff but i can’t really do a reread atm