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[osuka]

Err, how long can we expect this day to take?

it's literally on every vote count

[Truth]

That's a long amount of time... I hope we don't plan to use all of it.

[osuka]

That's a long amount of time... I hope we don't plan to use all of it.

truth on the other hand keeps trying to get himself lynched

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@Cat Scratch Fever: what’s the case on Nauci? Her actions around the GL wagon are weird, sure. But in a very short span she votes GL, unvotes him. Later she mentions GL in 493 but also is critical of Norwegian in 494 & 496. I’m not sure scum!Nauci unvotes GL and makes 494 & 496. This seems to me like town reconsidering between the two whereas scum would’ve parked the vote and called it a day.

I don't think the unvote is super AI either way.

Town can unvote there because maybe they really think two people could qhammer. scum can also unvote because that's what they would do as town.

Unvoting there is super easy - it's really not hard for scum to fake that, so I don't think that's a valid reason to be townreading someone.

My case on Nauci is that she seems to comment on things that aren't game related when there's content to analyze. I would like to see where she lands once she gets more time to dedicate to this game.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'd like more votes on cat

his iso pre voting me is very poor as I've laid out.

The lack of self awareness is pretty astounding.

Where do you think my ISO is bad? You scumread me for townreading people too easily when you can't point to a townread that you thought was weak?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Quote from Looker

Where did you end up on Looker? You started out saying his post was shallow and then you liked one of his pushes.

RE: Truth - If Truth is scum, there are two other scum anyway, so you might as well pressure someone else. The reason is if you're wrong about Truth being scum and she is a Mason, then pushing Truth to lynch range will mean a mason buddy will have to reveal themselves as well.

[Nauci]

lion has some slightly scummy vibes if we're talking strictly meta

Explain

[Nauci]

My case on Nauci is that she seems to comment on things that aren't game related when there's content to analyze. I

Your whole case on me is based on me making light hearted irrelevant posts sometimes?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It's predicated on your reading the thread without a scumhunting mindset

[osuka]

lion has some slightly scummy vibes if we're talking strictly meta

Explain

he doesnt usually play this defensively when hes town from what i can tell. he seems to be very obviously uncomfortable, which is a tell of scum gl

[Glitch]

The other thing I don't like about popoppopoopoppopo's vote:

You previously said Nauci was "forced as fuck" and were voting her. Then she quotes one, yes ONE, post of mine she doesn't like, and votes me, and your response is to put me at L-2 with no hesitation? Did your read on Nauci change? Do you think she just decided to lolbus me cause Norway wants to play like he's some RVS god, even though I later linked a game where I opened the exact same way as town? It seems pretty dissonant to me!

VOTE: popopopopopo

This post claiming issues with my vote is leaving out the VITAL fact that I am norwe's vote slave. In doing that, he completely misrepresented my supposed reasoning for switching votes. The push feels fake and based off a misrep. Norwe was cranking the pressure up pretty hard my man guilty needed a release.

Okay so now is the time to just stop with this whole vote slave bullshit. Start voting according to actual suspicions you have and not ones that are just spoon fed to you by your vote master. It is pro-town for us to get legitimate, un-tinted reads on you, not skewed and mixed up reads because we're trying to decipher between what's your genuine read on someone vs your vote master's read. Besides, if you're openly just casting votes to build up wagon numbers then the power of a wagon on someone is weakened. We have to maintain the pressure of a wagon and not sabotage one of our tools for getting scum to out themselves. Wagon people but don't defeat your own vote's power by publicizing, "I'm just following the leader with my vote to put people under more pressure." This is a variation of the exact conversation I had with Truth in my previous 2 posts.

VOTE: popopopopopopo

He feels like he doesn't care. I also saw some reasons from tiger cat that I liked.

i mean who tf knows with this guy. He wants to nolynch, then he wants to quick lynch. Idk his alignment but certified VI

Can you actually make an effort rather than just being like "Omg Idk I just know you suck?" What would your reads be on him if he hadn't claimed mason? What are your thoughts on if he is the scum in a hood?

i owe norwe big, more than owe him im in debt to him. the reactions i am getting for this schtick also has been and will continue to be fruitful

When will you have to pick between loyalty to Norway or to this town and get off the fence? How long do you intend to continue this? We have a lot of discussion on your vote slave ordeal to discuss, now can you stop so we can get a different perspective to read you?

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idk about "can't be scum with GL" since I don't bother with pre-flip associations but I want to wagon this

VOTE: Nauci

She seemed interested in figuring out popo's alignment earlier, but then this wagon on him built up to L-2

and

popo dropped a readslist and she pops in but doesn't comment on either at all.

This makes me want to iso Nauci. I'll be looking into.

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Reading up p26 Norway v GL feels TvT even though I haven't been able to figure out my read on GL up until now. This interaction feels towny from GL but I still havent been able to sort out his previous 1v1 earlier on. I need to go back and re-read it to clear up some haziness I have there. I have a hard time reading GL's posts and comprehending what the point is.

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Town reads are Noway and Cat Scratch right now. Norway vs GL recently gives off such strong scum hunting vibes from both sides and as an isolated argument feels TvT. I just want Noway to tell popopo to stop following his lead. I need to reread some of GL's earlier gameplay and then read through Norway vs GL with those revised lenses on. Cat has strong points and great townie questions in 537, 539, 548, 549, and 703.

Town lean to Looker as explained in 692
Town points to Quick on 521

Null on Candy shop. I started off by reading town but the lack of posts has me asking questions, particularly why is he still voting no lynch?? 442 was great questioning that sounded towny but there's been nothing since 473 and the vote is still on no lynch and that's just weird and gives me strange vibes.

Scum lean on popopo for everything at the top of this post
Scum read still on Truth for literally every post he's made

Interested in going back to reread up on Nauci and GL as I feel like there's some meat there I haven't gotten to. Struggling to keep up with y'all but doing my best.

tl;dr version: VOTE: popopopopo because I'm not down with a GL wagon until I go back and re-read, and popopo's defense has been shit basically just saying he owes Norway and he's doing it for reactions to talk about. Popopopopo can you stop being vague and irrational about when you'll stop voting with norway, and answer my questions above in response to your 555? It could very well be that you're scum trying to use this vote slave bullshit as a way to fly under everyone else's radar, and when it didn't work, the best way for you to push through a wagon on yourself is to stick to your guns and look like you've just been doing it for 1)loyalty to Norway, 2)scumhunting by getting reactions, or 3)shits and giggles all along. Pushing all this would be a great guise for scum except that you're twisted up in your own net and haven't been able to fly low.

And if that wasn't your plan, then your plan could have been to rile up all this nonsense and look so bold no one would think scum would do something so risky. Idk which way it goes, but each way I see at the moment looks messy unless you can just give us some original thoughts and original votes that aren't based on Norway and then we can get some un-tainted reads on you.

[osuka]

i think glitch can be town for now

[Glitch]

Spoiler: sorry

Reading up p26 Norway v GL feels TvT even though I haven't been able to figure out my read on GL up until now. This interaction feels towny from GL but I still havent been able to sort out his previous 1v1 earlier on. I need to go back and re-read it to clear up some haziness I have there. I have a hard time reading GL's posts and comprehending what the point is.

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Town reads are Noway and Cat Scratch right now. Norway vs GL recently gives off such strong scum hunting vibes from both sides and as an isolated argument feels TvT. I just want Noway to tell popopo to stop following his lead. I need to reread some of GL's earlier gameplay and then read through Norway vs GL with those revised lenses on. Cat has strong points and great townie questions in 537, 539, 548, 549, and 703.

I meant to combine these two paragraphs into one to be less repetitive. Sorry, I'm trying to not wall it up every time I post but I'm not able to get on here frequently enough to make smaller posts more frequently.

Quote from Looker

Where did you end up on Looker? You started out saying his post was shallow and then you liked one of his pushes.

Towny vibes but not strong enough for a solid read that way. Just town points. The point I was trying to make was that his promise of too busy during the week to being able to get into on the weekend held true, so his early posts were kind of useless but this weekend he has been contributing good content. His push against popo is what stood out as the difference in his play getting serious over the weekend, his 681 particularly. Decent vibes, need more like that and more in general before I would straight up town read him but town lean is fair.

[Glitch]

Truth's wincon is to get himself killed,
thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[Truth]

I don't understand how you can believe that. What reasons do you have for it? I have been trying to find mafia and I want a doctor to heal me so that I'm not killed tonight.

[osuka]

I don't understand how you can believe that. What reasons do you have for it? I have been trying to find mafia and I want a doctor to heal me so that I'm not killed tonight.

in what world do you live in

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Truth, what's your homesite?

[Nauci]

Glitch, Truth is definitely not making it near LYLO so why don't you just focus on everybody else for now? That's why we're ignoring it—this slot WILL be resolved eventually but it's not terribly useful to do it today no matter how many scummy posts they make.

[Nauci]

It's predicated on your reading the thread without a scumhunting mindset

I feel like I have definitely done some scum hunting but I can admit that it's not up to my usual standards

But my SO just got an Oculus Quest so I'm going back to virtual base jumping for the night and tackling this game in full tomorrow

My vote on Osuka stands and is a serious one, however

Osuka's posts have been like... 50% to call Truth's posts dumb, a few observations here and there, and a stubborn misrepresentation that I'm trying to buddy them by simply explaining that his melodrama isn't alignment indicative, and none of that is particularly deep insight.

Like, I don't think there's any world where Osuka and Quick are scum together because I just refuse to believe that Osuka would be willing to theater with Quick, but I don't think that anything he's done since then it's worthy of a town read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If NDmath doesn’t post anything good soon i wouldn’t mind voting there tbh.

[Nauci]

If NDmath doesn’t post anything good soon i wouldn’t mind voting there tbh.

Agreed.

[Glitch]

Glitch, Truth is definitely not making it near LYLO so why don't you just focus on everybody else for now? That's why we're ignoring it—this slot WILL be resolved eventually but it's not terribly useful to do it today no matter how many scummy posts they make.

That's why I'm shifting gears to Popo and others. That said, it doesn't make sense to me why we shouldn't discuss something just because the majority has just dismissed it for tomorrow. If there's a legitimate concern that truth is scum, Ben the scummiest thing for his scum Partners to do would be to try and just put off the Mason discussion until further notice. It's not like it hurts the town at all to talk about these things. I'm opening up my discussion and evaluations two other players because it's obvious that we are not going to get a wagon formed on truth. But I really don't like your dismissal until tomorrow. I'll come back to that in a little bit and if truth ever what's scum this conversation will be important.

I'm on my way to work and I work in a breakfast and lunch restaurant. Father's Day is generally the busiest day of the year or close second to Mother's Day. Probably won't be back on until late this evening.

[NDMath]

Rest of catchup.

Spoiler:

Why are they both town?

As for your leads questions, I was suspecting osuka before that if you check my earlier posts.

Based on their back and forth, I think they both believe in their pushes. I can also understand why they each scumread the other even though I disagree with it.

They're both independently towny as well. Quick has demonstrated that he has an unusual process of scumhunting, and I think his process is hard to fake.

I'm gut townreading osuka.

Why is osuka scummy for thinking you could be lying about being a mason but not wanting to take the risk of pushing you? A lot of people have expressed disbelief in your mason claim yet no one is pushing for your lynch off the top of my head.

Holy shit

I like/agree with this post.

GuiltyLion, can you please come in and obvtown it up soon. Your RVS entrance coupled with disappearing hasn’t exactly filled me to the brin with confidence regarding your slot.

weren't you just chastising Quick not 4 hours ago for pushing me for weak 'activity' reasons?

This post shouldn't come from town and overall norwee is much townier in the norwee-lion interaction.

I like GuiltyLion's case and may follow him for a while. Let's vote the person so he feels more pressure when he comes back and then has to respond while being a little self-conscious.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

popo feels like mafia as well.

Can you elaborate on your thoughts of a norwee/popo scum team?

Norway feels really awkward and stiff and I don't think he's actually advanced the game meaningfully, I'm keeping my vote where it is

Fucking lmao.
VOTE: GuiltyLion
He’s scum guys.

This looks like a natural thought for town here.

hi i'm ofrhz

I just posted on the wrong account

I really want you and lion to be town so we can have a town block of Cats

Please please please don't be scum I should be so sad

Wait,

this

was the townblock truth was talking about?

Again, take a look at my Large 227 game. I basically formed an alliance with Stan1ey early on. It's not scum indicative for me to do that kinda shit. And it would be pretty damn obvious if we were both scum don't ya think? I don't mind if anyone is suspicious about me pocketing or whatever, but i often find it to be a big advantage to town if i can put more pressure behind my words by getting people on my side. And it was fully up to Popopo whether he wanted to do as i said or not.

I try to do similar stuff as town some games to little success.

NDMath

Please don't tell me you're a vigilante again.

Was I really that bad?

also are we all just ignoring NDMath's completely useless catchup/entry?

I need to look into how he plays as town but that was a very scummy replace in

I don't buy you thought that it was very scummy unless you can be more specific as to why.

I expected more from NDMath.

Hmmmm.

Reads Tiered:
Norwee
osuka quick
popo catscratch looker mavs
Glitch nauci
Candyshop
Lion

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