Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Menalque]

I pointed out that when I say townbloc I'm not including (Blake, bingle) and thought that was clear from including them in a solve with Maria right before this?

oh sorry those thoughts were not necessarily connected

basically, i think the gamestate is weird if {townreads - i.e. you and me} and {scumreads - i.e. bingle and blake} have similar readslists
i don't know what exactly it implies (probably that there's scum in the townbloc) but i'm making note of it because something isn't right here

oh, okay, this is clearer and makes more sense. hmmm. I kind of agree but I'm not sold because I was treating Blake and bingle as part of the townbloc until pretty recently (you may remember you objecting to this while S_S and lilith were the top wagons) and that would leave them (if scum) with difficulty in rapidly pivoting from the reads they gave while in it to alternative reads without arousing suspicion

[Menalque]

looks like ur scum then Firebringer! only scum wouldn't read my posts

ONLY SCUM DEAL IN ABSOLUTES.

MR SCUM MENALQUE

[Menalque]

god imma be so happy if it is (Maria, bingle, Blake) I haven't solved a game in like forever

[Menalque]

on the flip side if it's like (datisi, skitter, A50) I may retire again lmao

[skitter30]

like take a look at blake's last readslist and then also bingle's, and then compare that to mine and yours

[Firebringer]

on the flip side if it's like (datisi, skitter, A50) I may retire again lmao

no one is posting in the thread mena, we can admit right now its u, me, skitter.

[MariaR]

Stuff will be tomorrow. I did a light skim but I will say in advance I won't be claiming.

[MariaR]

Tonights games sucked so Ima just go curl under a blanket with a book gn friends.

[Menalque]

Tonights games sucked so Ima just go curl under a blanket with a book gn friends.

oh, that sucks, I'm sorry. Good night maria

[Menalque]

actually good night all it's 5:30am why tf am I still up

oh right, I was watching a film for my film club for tomorrow. incidentally, if anyone hasn't seen Do The Right Thing (1989) it's a banger

[Blake Belladonna]

With this much foreplay, it would be very disappointing if I don't get wagoned tomorrow.

[Blake Belladonna]

The most obvious town after this would normally be Bingle, but I'm actually a lot less certain about his alignment mainly because of something specific he mentioned a bit earlier.

I will dig out quotes sometime later to be sure that I'm remembering correctly.

if you haven't done the bolded yet, can you do so ?

biiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggggggglllllllllleeeeeee should i be voting you rn? i was kinda hoping for some kind of reaction .

ok can you then review why scum!bingle kills you first here?

She's wrong, btw.

I would probably kill her exactly second for this reason. I'm strong enough as as scum to survive Blake for a couple days, and I'd bet on her knowing I fear her to pocket her.

I can explain why scum me wouldn't kill PB, even if that's a pretty irrelevant point.

I probably would have taken out PP as a tough mislynch (if I liked where my partners were, game state wise) or Mena as a way to shake things up and take control of the thread (if I thought my partners were in danger).

To be clear, I think Blake's assumption is a reasonable one for her to make

and she is correct in that she is the scariest town player to scum Bingle. I just like to play WIFOM games with my scumkills.

Like, for example, Blake's logic about me not killing her is flawed,

but it's flawed logic that townBlake would absolutely follow.

I can understand that she does townread me, but I don't think the townread is something that necessarily would net results.

I don't think I'm a traditionally readable player, in that when I actually become obvtown it's usually based on an outcome of what I've been pushing or not pushing. You can absolutely trust me to be town at the point where I make it impossible for scum me to win the game.

This makes me view the way he has been treating me this game in a different light. This also contrasts from how he has 'defended' me in the past in his town games.

It's something that makes me wonder if he is attempting to play around me this game, which would absolutely make sense with the idea that he wouldn't kill me right away in the case that he's scum.

[lilith2013]

@skitter/mena: blake’s been calling me scum since D1 and says i’m the scumread she’s most confident on, but hasn’t directly engaged with me at all, so i feel like there’s a bit of a disconnect there; also as i’ve said, she’s been very distant from my wagon - basically voteparking me without trying to get more votes or push my lynch through, for like half of D1 and most of D2. she feels very passive (both re: her scumread on me and in general), which feels pretty similar to a game that i spectated where she was scum (jigsaw), like kind of an avoidance of direct interactions with players, if that makes sense. in terms of her actual play today - if she were still scumreading me after SS’s wagon fell apart, then why not try to redirect the wagon back to me? instead she acted like my wagon was a lost cause, when there were still 3 votes on me at the time? and she voted firebringer and then bingle immediately after skitter voted bingle. so now that bingle is getting heat, she suddenly no longer townreads bingle..?

[lilith2013]

I mentioned before that PenguinPower's push on me makes more sense from a town perspective than a scum perspective. This is still the case mainly because I don't suspect he is the type of player that would show teeth like that as scum and have ultimately nothing come of it.

also - penguin never pushed blake, so i don’t understand why blake is townreading him

[lilith2013]

What lilith thing? The 2 vote wagon that was just Blake + Mena?

Strong push on her strongest scum read that led her to vote me right before eod.

ok fair. i took another look when they both started pushing her and i had thought that blake's push starting significantly earlier than it actually did.
i don't know what you're saying with your last bit tho

I'm saying if she was really pushing lilith her last min swap to me doesn't really make sense given what she said.

ergo I don't believe she was really pushing lilith genuinely.

okay i think this is the exchange referenced, but i’m not really seeing what about this makes penguin town

[lilith2013]

anyway - i think this read also lines up with my observation of how distant blake feels from the game, i don’t think she and penguin have directly interacted other than this

[lilith2013]

anyway - i think this read also lines up with my observation of how distant blake feels from the game, i don’t think she and penguin have directly interacted

ebwop, i don’t think this counts as a direct interaction either

[lilith2013]

(oog: i appreciate everyone’s concern! i made it home in one piece, although after i got home my muscles started doing that thing where they feel like they’re burning. and my entire body is screaming today! 0/10 would not recommend)

[lilith2013]

also skitter, hope you feel better!

[Blake Belladonna]

for like half of D1 and most of D2. she feels very passive (both re: her scumread on me and in general), which feels pretty similar to a game that i spectated where she was scum (jigsaw), like kind of an avoidance of direct interactions with players, if that makes sense.

This makes no sense. I was directly looking to interact with people for a lot of that game.

[lilith2013]

i’m not sure i can articulate this well, but the way you said stuff was indirect imo

[Blake Belladonna]

And this doesn't happen in my town games?

[lilith2013]

well i’ve never read any of your other games so i wouldn’t know?

[lilith2013]

are you saying that you’re always passive and don’t try to hardpush wagons on your scumreads?

[Blake Belladonna]

Then how does this indicate that I'm scum in this game?