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[Dunnstral]

Not_Mafia- town Honestly not sure how folks can’t see between the lines with his posting.

I don't see between the lines, care to explain?

[Dunnstral]

Hun im not letting go of my vote on dunn till he explains his scum read on mala and why what she said was scummy when he thought the same thing.
If you continue to let him bypass that he will continue to do shit fucking all to explain

It doesn't matter what I thought. I don't have to townread her just because she pushed the same early read as me. I thought the way and timing that she jumped onto it + the notscience stuff at the time was scummy.

[Dunnstral]

I feel the bold to be pretty spot on. I think if dunn was town he would have been an easy lynch. His vote on nm is lazy as that is how nm is and he avoids discussing anything relevant.

So why can't he be scum, exactly?

[Dunnstral]

Point one: less resistance on Dunnstral? You mean the wagon that's been here since page 5 that keeps having other bandwagon raise up to try and meet it? That's the textbook example of resistance lol.

Again, obviously like I've been saying, if mafia isnt proactively trying to help town move their votes, then they are ok with the status quo. Understand from my POV what you have been doing in response to Dunnstral's lynch.

This is disingenuous because there's a lot more than two votes moving around. If you think people are manipulating votes, point them out. Don't vaguely gesture while pushing me.

[Dunnstral]

farside22 - honestly thinking scum. Sorry <3

If town:
-Farside/bob scum equity goes up (this is my bargaining chip. You want to see my little secret? Gotta keep my robot ass alive and flip Dunnstral).

i also have clidd as top scumread. dunn is scummyish, farside is hmmm, maybe scum. gerain is a bit scummy.

There sure are a lot of people with these phantom scumreads on farside22 that:

a) never get explained
b) never get acted on
c) are never reacted to by farside or anyone else pushing me

[Dunnstral]

I’m still happy with a Dunn lynch tbh. At this point his super early hypocrisy isn’t a deal sealer in term is alignment. But his absolute refusal to engage on this point is troubling. I’ve somewhat thought maybe he’s a PR that’s trying to lay low but at this point when he’s a primary wagon his refusal to speak seems more like scum trying to just get by from not making a stir.

This argument is really bad. It isn't hypocrisy - I don't have to townread someone for having similar reads early, I didn't like how she jumped on.

I'm not going to be hinting towards my role, either. Bringing up that I /may/ be a pr feels like baiting for a reaction.

'Not making a stir'. Can't you guys manage without me for a few days?

[Dunnstral]

And this wagon on clidd is equally bad. I'm not doing that, I'll tell you guys where we can vote instead:

Not_Mafia
farside22
HK 50
DoctorPepper

Not sure on Green Crayons because while his content is bad I don't personally feel like he's scummy, maybe just looking at the game wrong (and he is, if those are his scumreads)
Malakittens, IDK. Leave her for later
DoctorPepper voted me in post 97 (!) then coasted all day and nobody ever tried to start anything there or even called him out. I get that scum already have a wagon on me going, but really? Not even a passing mention, and geraintm gets some?
Not_Mafia is playing the same way he does as scum. I dare anyone to try to refute me.
farside22 is clearly not engaging in good faith and is instead looking to lynch me today
HK 50 is constantly rehashing old points and his points are

bad

and manipulative

VOTE: farside22

Multiple people have expressed a scumread here, so let's do it. Lynch farside.

[farside22]

Hun im not letting go of my vote on dunn till he explains his scum read on mala and why what she said was scummy when he thought the same thing.
If you continue to let him bypass that he will continue to do shit fucking all to explain

It doesn't matter what I thought. I don't have to townread her just because she pushed the same early read as me. I thought the way and timing that she jumped onto it + the notscience stuff at the time was scummy.

How was it scummy? What exactly about the timing was different?

[Green Crayons]

How generous of stungun to offer my lynch in case he's wrong on my townread

i also caught that, but it's ego like that that really sings town to me

[Dunnstral]

Her vote on not science came after multiple players voted notscience, and then she posted this:

Now taking a deeper look into HT50. If one of Vot or HT50 flips scum I’m ok with them being partnered. This is HT50’s first game. I obv get it that’s it’s an alt account. But the whole knowledge felt off to me

Which felt... manipulative.

[Green Crayons]

hmmm.... these reads stink when you look at them this way. votato liking this is yuck, he only likes it because he's town in this list

And I suspect you might not like it because of where you land on it

votato's sudden warmth towards me hasn't gone unnoticed

[farside22]

How generous of stungun to offer my lynch in case he's wrong on my townread

Let see we are close to deadline and he isn't' making any compromises on a wagon, no he's scum baby.
check here how things were in animal toward the end of day 1

That isn't me compromising, that's me leading a wagon with hours left on deadline because town spent all day phase tunneling on my slot without actually being able to lynch me (same as this game), somebody saying they're not going to do it at deadline, and me switching to another wagon, with everyone following me again

What you should be concerned with is that I was voted day 1 in that game for similarly flimsy reasons (including multiple members of the scum team parking their vote on me)

That's a lie, you were pushing your scum read on votato that game and I'm bad at looking at meta from games I was not part of. That is evident from reading jjh that game and bob in a previous game. So asking me to search every game from you while providing no evidence to contradict is not something I should have to do.

Bc I’ve been drinking and now my neighbors who I was porch chilling with have left, let’s run down the player list.


votato - I’m thinking town but siiigh
bob3141 - leaning town now tbh
DoctorPepper - null bit was thinking town at some point
Not_Mafia- town Honestly not sure how folks can’t see between the lines with his posting.
geraintm - pretty sure town
Ghost Ganster stungun0404 - town Like, annoyingly super town and I say annoyingly because he can get a thought in his head and it might be wrong by gd he runs it down.
Green Crayons - town
farside22 - honestly thinking scum. Sorry <3
HK 50 - town, even tho I don’t k ow where he’s coming from with his fixation on stun
Battle Mage clidd - scum
Malakittens - null. Like if you put a gun to my head I’d slot her town but damn she’s been pretty absent in a way I cannot read
notscience - town. Not even a Q.
Dunnstral - scum

Reorganizing this so it's easier to parse.

Your reads:

Town: Notscience, HK 50, stungun0404, geraintm, Not_Mafia, votato
Leaning or Null Town: bob3141
Null but kind of almost leaning town: DoctorPepper, Malakittens

Scum: Dunnstral, clidd, farside22


hmmm.... these reads stink when you look at them this way. votato liking this is yuck, he only likes it because he's town in this list

the distancing from you and GC is priceless.

I feel the bold to be pretty spot on. I think if dunn was town he would have been an easy lynch. His vote on nm is lazy as that is how nm is and he avoids discussing anything relevant.

So why can't he be scum, exactly?

NS acts that way regardless of alignment. What do you think he gains as scum just pushing BM and now he votes you? So again all you are doing is OMGUS to players that push you as a scum read.
That's not scum hunting.

And this wagon on clidd is equally bad. I'm not doing that, I'll tell you guys where we can vote instead:

Not_Mafia
farside22
HK 50
DoctorPepper

Not sure on Green Crayons because while his content is bad I don't personally feel like he's scummy, maybe just looking at the game wrong (and he is, if those are his scumreads)
Malakittens, IDK. Leave her for later
DoctorPepper voted me in post 97 (!) then coasted all day and nobody ever tried to start anything there or even called him out. I get that scum already have a wagon on me going, but really? Not even a passing mention, and geraintm gets some?
Not_Mafia is playing the same way he does as scum. I dare anyone to try to refute me.
farside22 is clearly not engaging in good faith and is instead looking to lynch me today
HK 50 is constantly rehashing old points and his points are

bad

and manipulative

VOTE: farside22

Multiple people have expressed a scumread here, so let's do it. Lynch farside.

No case found that you made, other then what I tunnel, which I did and do. Others find me scummy and no one said why so that = scum?
Others find me town. Again this is not a case and you are just OMGUS at this point.

[Green Crayons]

farside22 - honestly thinking scum. Sorry <3

If town:
-Farside/bob scum equity goes up (this is my bargaining chip. You want to see my little secret? Gotta keep my robot ass alive and flip Dunnstral).

i also have clidd as top scumread. dunn is scummyish, farside is hmmm, maybe scum. gerain is a bit scummy.

There sure are a lot of people with these phantom scumreads on farside22 that:

a) never get explained
b) never get acted on
c) are never reacted to by farside or anyone else pushing me

I've been suspecting farside from the beginning, and while I was okay with her immediate response to my QUESTIONS (lol), since then her play has been a single-mindedness in pushing Dunn (except with a brief foray into weaksauce meta of me) aligns with scum play as not casting too wide a net of suspicions so she can be fluid to adapt later

[Dunnstral]

I don't like it because your 3 scumreads are me, clidd, and... farside, and then everyone else has the word town somewhere in there. There isn't an honest null in there - you're playing to too many sides among people you perceive to hold influence, your farside read doesn't make sense as scum with the other 2 of us, and yes, having both me and clidd as scum is lazy and bad

[Green Crayons]

Not_Mafia- town Honestly not sure how folks can’t see between the lines with his posting.

I don't see between the lines, care to explain?

You can't just ISO NM. He posts in response to what is actually happening in the game.

[Not_Mafia]

Dunn just vote clidd please

[Green Crayons]

your 3 scumreads are me, clidd, and... farside

I doubt y'all are a scum team but guess what? It's D1 so fuck trying to create a scum team I'm just pointing out who has been suspicious.

[farside22]

Her vote on not science came after multiple players voted notscience, and then she posted this:

Now taking a deeper look into HT50. If one of Vot or HT50 flips scum I’m ok with them being partnered. This is HT50’s first game. I obv get it that’s it’s an alt account. But the whole knowledge felt off to me

Which felt... manipulative.

She also has germ as null and I don't really see her doing much but making observational post then actual scum hunting post.

hmmm.... these reads stink when you look at them this way. votato liking this is yuck, he only likes it because he's town in this list

And I suspect you might not like it because of where you land on it

votato's sudden warmth towards me hasn't gone unnoticed

Could we get a GC wagon going? Just look at how bad his pushes are on BM, and his behavior in comparison to other games. This is typically lol I'm going to throw shit post from scum.

[farside22]

Dunn just vote clidd please

Not without a claim does anyone vote for clidd. If anyone does they are scum.

[Green Crayons]

There isn't an honest null in there - you're playing to too many sides among people you perceive to hold influence, your farside read doesn't make sense as scum with the other 2 of us, and yes, having both me and clidd as scum is lazy and bad

There's actually a lot going on in here. A lot wrong, that is. But it doesn't seem like the same type of frantic "throw up whatever" defense that BM was spewing.

[Green Crayons]

Could we get a GC wagon going? Just look at how bad his pushes are on BM, and his behavior in comparison to other games. This is typically lol I'm going to throw shit post from scum.

lol

<3

[Green Crayons]

farside, you *did* pull scum this time, didn't you?

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[Dunnstral]

That's a lie, you were pushing your scum read on votato that game

Well yes, I led a wagon on someone I believed to be scum

And then it clearly wasn't happening due to hard resistance from a certain player, so I led a wagon on someone else who was suspicious who said player would vote

and I'm bad at looking at meta from games I was not part of.

OK.

So asking me to search every game from you while providing no evidence to contradict is not something I should have to do.

I can dig up the games myself, but if you can't read meta off of them there's no point, is there.

No case found that you made, other then what I tunnel, which I did and do.

You are open to having your opinion changed as town. I've seen you tunnel in animals mafia

Again this is not a case and you are just OMGUS at this point.

So again all you are doing is OMGUS to players that push you as a scum read.

When everyone is going insane there isn't much room left to look for sane, reasonable scum hiding among the rest of the players. Also, is it really omgus when over half the playerlist is pushing me? Who am I supposed to push that is an *approved push*?

[Dunnstral]

farside, you *did* pull scum this time, didn't you?

Why don't you vote her and see who follows?