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[Dunnstral]

Not_Mafia- town Honestly not sure how folks can’t see between the lines with his posting.

I don't see between the lines, care to explain?

You can't just ISO NM. He posts in response to what is actually happening in the game.

All he says is inane things like vote x, x is scum

[Green Crayons]

Because, despite you claiming my BM/Clidd vote is lazy and farside saying it's a bad push, I'm an OG believer in a BM vote. I'm happy to vote farside tomorrow, especially if BM/Clidd is scum.

[Green Crayons]

All he says is inane things like vote x, x is scum

Generally in response to X having just posted. So look at X's posts and see if there's something worthwhile to suspect.

[Green Crayons]

^^^ I say generally. I think he's done it once or twice with BM/Clidd, recalling off the top of my head. After that he's just trying to get people to wagon.

[Dunnstral]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11865547

Battle Mage appears to be playing the same in this game as they are in this game

The last post they made in this game was really towny

Clidd lurking out is NAI

[Dunnstral]

Dunn vote clidd

HK vote clidd

Please vote clidd before your V/LA

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this is true, but I am not trying to spread my suckiness

Vote clidd then

Dunn just vote clidd please

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When was the last time clidd actually posted?

[Dunnstral]

All he says is inane things like vote x, x is scum

Generally in response to X having just posted. So look at X's posts and see if there's something worthwhile to suspect.

I don't understand why this reactionary style is garnerign townreads, especially when no, I don't think that is the case that there is something worthwhile to suspect the majority of the time

[Dunnstral]

Because, despite you claiming my BM/Clidd vote is lazy and farside saying it's a bad push, I'm an OG believer in a BM vote. I'm happy to vote farside tomorrow, especially if BM/Clidd is scum.

Why not vote farside now?

You think your BM case is more convincing than reading farside's posts right now? Is it just because clidd is closer to the votes needed to lynch?

[Dunnstral]

Hm, when was the last time geraintm placed a vote...

Town or scum im enjoying hk-50 commitment for posting style.

this was the 12th post afer mine VOTE: notscience

[farside22]

That's a lie, you were pushing your scum read on votato that game

Well yes, I led a wagon on someone I believed to be scum

And then it clearly wasn't happening due to hard resistance from a certain player, so I led a wagon on someone else who was suspicious who said player would vote

and I'm bad at looking at meta from games I was not part of.

OK.

So asking me to search every game from you while providing no evidence to contradict is not something I should have to do.

I can dig up the games myself, but if you can't read meta off of them there's no point, is there.

No case found that you made, other then what I tunnel, which I did and do.

You are open to having your opinion changed as town. I've seen you tunnel in animals mafia

Again this is not a case and you are just OMGUS at this point.

I shouldn't have to keep chanting that you need to explain yourself over and over again. You know I want a response and yes I can change my mind but only if the player I'm pushing actually engages in the game.
So why are you being stubborn about it?
Why the need to wait to respond to the contractions?

So again all you are doing is OMGUS to players that push you as a scum read.

When everyone is going insane there isn't much room left to look for sane, reasonable scum hiding among the rest of the players. Also, is it really omgus when over half the playerlist is pushing me? Who am I supposed to push that is an *approved push*?

Most players are voting BM. If you think that player is town why are you not pushing there?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11865547

Battle Mage appears to be playing the same in this game as they are in this game

The last post they made in this game was really towny

Clidd lurking out is NAI

This I actually agree with.

Would have been nice had you made more of a post like this then staying silent. I still don't get why mala's timing is off based on the early start or why it's scummy when you stated the same thing.
Can you at least walk me through your thought process?

[farside22]

Because, despite you claiming my BM/Clidd vote is lazy and farside saying it's a bad push, I'm an OG believer in a BM vote. I'm happy to vote farside tomorrow, especially if BM/Clidd is scum.

Why not vote farside now?

You think your BM case is more convincing than reading farside's posts right now? Is it just because clidd is closer to the votes needed to lynch?

You realize there is no case on me right?
Your pushing votes that is based on me voting you and you not responding to me.

[farside22]

This comment in 859 was mine:

I shouldn't have to keep chanting that you need to explain yourself over and over again. You know I want a response and yes I can change my mind but only if the player I'm pushing actually engages in the game.
So why are you being stubborn about it?
Why the need to wait to respond to the contractions?

[Dunnstral]

Most players are voting BM. If you think that player is town why are you not pushing there?

The entire game is voting Me/Clidd, except:

Me
Clidd
geraintm

I could push almost literally anyone and it would be someone on me or clidd

[Dunnstral]

Why the need to wait to respond to the contractions?

When the game gets boring I start skipping stuff and only responding to what I see. That's what happened.

Because, despite you claiming my BM/Clidd vote is lazy and farside saying it's a bad push, I'm an OG believer in a BM vote. I'm happy to vote farside tomorrow, especially if BM/Clidd is scum.

Why not vote farside now?

You think your BM case is more convincing than reading farside's posts right now? Is it just because clidd is closer to the votes needed to lynch?

You realize there is no case on me right?
Your pushing votes that is based on me voting you and you not responding to me.

The case on you is that your push is bad and I don't have wiggleroom to try to find reasonable scum blending in with unreasonable scum/town

[farside22]

Most players are voting BM. If you think that player is town why are you not pushing there?

The entire game is voting Me/Clidd, except:

Me
Clidd
geraintm

I could push almost literally anyone and it would be someone on me or clidd

I didn't really look at the vote count when I said that obvious. I also ask the mod to hold the day till clidd is replaced.
So I know you think NM is scum (he is pretty much just always one liners and threats of hammering) so I don't know why you see him scum above others. Mala yes I saw her actions being under the radar and as I said GC's game play is no where near as inquistive as his past games. Plus his scum reads make no sense.
With Votato I have a soft spot as his reads in a large mini were pretty bad and he worked with scum that game. I give him a bit of leeway till something comes off like it did in Animal Upick. I think bob is town and SG as well.
Still not sure about NS, he has been pretty low under the radar about his thoughts as well.

VOTE: Green Crayon

Still grumbling at you for ignoring me.

[farside22]

Why the need to wait to respond to the contractions?

When the game gets boring I start skipping stuff and only responding to what I see. That's what happened.

Because, despite you claiming my BM/Clidd vote is lazy and farside saying it's a bad push, I'm an OG believer in a BM vote. I'm happy to vote farside tomorrow, especially if BM/Clidd is scum.

Why not vote farside now?

You think your BM case is more convincing than reading farside's posts right now? Is it just because clidd is closer to the votes needed to lynch?

You realize there is no case on me right?
Your pushing votes that is based on me voting you and you not responding to me.

The case on you is that your push is bad and I don't have wiggleroom to try to find reasonable scum blending in with unreasonable scum/town

I'm just the most vocal about it. I don't stop till I get a response. That's just my way.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not scumreading Green crayons from his interaction with me just now, and I wasn't before that either. That vote is a pass from me.

I'll vote somebody else because you are being more flexible.

VOTE: HK 50

[bob3141]

Can you see my points here? Anything you disagree with or cannot understand?

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I also agree with Mala that I also would not want you to skate through this game as scum behind what would be a lazy facade here for scum to implement. And I also used to be mislynched a lot D1, or at the very least was very much mislynch bait like Mala said she has been as town, but I have certainly become a more difficult D1 lynch as town over time.

you make valid points....but I am not going to vote for the sake of it. I feel awful when I get bamboozled into a vote/lynch because of pressure when I don't want to vote for soeone, I just want to avoid that as much as I can when I don't want to vote for someone.
when I do think someone is vote worthy, I will stick with them for a long long time - see my last game with trollie

So do you town read or scum read BM/clidd and dun. As if you scum read them then why do you not want to vote for them and if you town read them why do you not want to place serious vote elsewhere. AS if you were town I would have expected you to try and push a new lynch if you believed both of them to be town. And even if you were only sure one or even just felt it was town or that case benign pushed against that slot was bad. I would have thought if you were town that you would either push the other, in order to try and sort them. Or like the former try to push a new lynch.

As all i can see is that you don't like shoguns push on bm as you reply allot to him in regards to his bm push and state that you don't town read him.



So what do you town or scum read the slots clidd and dun?

And if you town read them why do you not want to push the lynch off your town reads. But instead in effect sitting on the fence while the clock ticks down to deadline. Leaving your vote on your rvs pick. A vote that if you are town wouldn't do anything to achieve getting who you think might be scum lynched. And increases the odds some you think is town gets lynched instead while you do nothing.

So if you are town , who do you want to vote for? Even if it isn't one of clid/bm or dun. As we are 2 days to deadline and you have not cast a serious vote at all. Not even a weak pressure vote.

[notscience]

Still not sure about NS, he has been pretty low under the radar about his thoughts as well.

I’ve been vla for most of the day and I dare say pretty up front when I’m not

I wish mala was here for a second opinion on you

[notscience]

Maybe I could go for farside with my double vote.

[notscience]

Dunn looks town and i don’t feel comfortable with lynching clidd.

[notscience]

Dp what do you think of stun

[geraintm]

Hm, when was the last time geraintm placed a vote...

Town or scum im enjoying hk-50 commitment for posting style.

this was the 12th post afer mine VOTE: notscience

yep. not seen anyone so far in this game I am confident is scum. there aren't even many people I want lynched for other reasons like not being useful.

[Not_Mafia]

Where is clidd?

[notscience]

Probably flakes from the site for some reason it’s not a scumtell