Mini Normal 2148 (Post Game)

[stungun0404]

And again, L-2 replace-in, not L-1 replace-in. Check the vote count.

I have done and seen others do this very thing you are doing as scum, which is what concerns me. Moving off of a vanilla lynch to perhaps see if you can get another person to pass Porkens in the vote count and get another claim, and perhaps a powerrole claim comes out there. Makes total sense for scum to do.

[Green Crayons]

And also, I don't think Porkens is at L-1, he was at L-2, so now with your unvote he is at L-3.

This

is a fair point and doesn't make the replace-in nearly as bleak as the L-1 I thought it was.

[geraintm]

We have one day left in this day phase and about 5 hours, which means

@Porkens: it is really important that you claim in your next post so that if your role is important to us that are town, we can keep you and have more time to make a well-informed decision to move elsewhere.

I hate cdemands for claims like this. it never seems to help. if it is scum, they can flush out someone else or else send town onto a wild lynch chase that won't go anywhere good. if it is town...how is getting them to claim and out themselves going to help?

[Green Crayons]

I have done and seen others do this very thing you are doing as scum, which is what concerns me. Moving off of a vanilla lynch to perhaps see if you can get another person to pass Porkens in the vote count and get another claim, and perhaps a powerrole claim comes out there. Makes total sense for scum to do.

please

1) differentiate between NAI conduct that can conform to scum alignment, and AI conduct.

2) maybe actually have the person you're accusing of the bad thing to do the bad thing

first

, before lobbing the accusation--so far I have unvoted porkens to allow him time to spit out opinions while I reread, but said I wasn't against his lynch because, frankly, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a rushjob on anyone else atm

3) don't rely on "i have seens" because plenty of people have seen plenty of things, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything for the game at hand. i point you back to #1.

[stungun0404]

We have one day left in this day phase and about 5 hours, which means

@Porkens: it is really important that you claim in your next post so that if your role is important to us that are town, we can keep you and have more time to make a well-informed decision to move elsewhere.

I hate cdemands for claims like this. it never seems to help. if it is scum, they can flush out someone else or else send town onto a wild lynch chase that won't go anywhere good. if it is town...how is getting them to claim and out themselves going to help?

Respectfully disagree.

You have to know if you have a townplayer that has a power role that you need to keep around. You do not want to lynch a cop on D1, for example. Say there's a doc in the game, cop claims, well that Doc can protect them during the night phase.

OTOH, if you lynch the cop on D1, you put town in a very bad position right at the start of the game.

Thus, a role claim is better when someone is backed up against a wall.

[stungun0404]

It's very clear if Porkens did not roleclaim he was going to be lynched. Like, literally no doubt given the amount of time left in the day and the lack of unity elsewhere (no more than 2 votes).

[Green Crayons]

yeah, geraintm, are you just against role claims as a matter of policy until the end of the game?

[Green Crayons]

because, while a bad policy, that's the only way I can make heads or tail of your comment.

[stungun0404]

I have done and seen others do this very thing you are doing as scum, which is what concerns me. Moving off of a vanilla lynch to perhaps see if you can get another person to pass Porkens in the vote count and get another claim, and perhaps a powerrole claim comes out there. Makes total sense for scum to do.

please

1) differentiate between NAI conduct that can conform to scum alignment, and AI conduct.

2) maybe actually have the person you're accusing of the bad thing to do the bad thing

first

, before lobbing the accusation--so far I have unvoted porkens to allow him time to spit out opinions while I reread, but said I wasn't against his lynch because, frankly, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a rushjob on anyone else atm

3) don't rely on "i have seens" because plenty of people have seen plenty of things, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything for the game at hand. i point you back to #1.

1) The way I am reading this, it is very difficult to describe. Can you reword that question just so I am sure that what you are looking for is what I am seeing? Because I don't want to explain the wrong thing here.

2) Yeah, I could have waited longer before calling it out. I probably should have, but I guess I was just eager to point out that you could be scum based off that.

3) Gotcha.

[stungun0404]

Oh wait, I think I get what you are asking.

It is the potential motivations behind a player's actions that differentiate between AI and NAI conduct. Though AI by itself is kinda complex, like are we talking weak tendencies of a certain alignment and strong tendencies of a certain alignment? They both could be considered AI in their own individual way.

[stungun0404]

What is so special about a "game like this" that makes a fake PR claim completely unfathomable? Because they might reveal a PR and get lynched (like he's likely to do anyway)?

There are a limited number of fakeclaims that scum could plausibly go for, given this is a normal game setup. Thus, the whole fakeclaiming business is more difficult than it would be in non-normal setups. At least, that's what I believe to be the case.

[farside22]

There should be more talk about compromise lynches or players pushing their scum reads.

My scum reads with reasons:
Gc- over the top reaction. Looks to push anything as a scum tell just to argue without analyzing players.
Mala_ surface level reads that have added nothing to the game
Ns- gut pinging scum. Sudden switch in read with no reason. He isnt a troll type.

[stungun0404]

I think you are overthinking if you are town here. Porkens and his supposed scumteam might not have even thought about that. They might have just gone with what was conveniently there so they would not be refuted/denied and lose a scum mate on D1. They want to protect him, because there is only supposedly 3 scum/13 players in this game.

Losing a member on D1 is a huge risk, any way you slice it, and so claiming something that could be refuted would possibly be seen as a bad move to them

This reads like you know scum have daytalk.

I don't know if I believe in scum slips but jeeze.

I don't like this right here at all. What angle do you have to be coming from to assume that "I know scum has daytalk" from this post? Like, how are you interpreting that from this? It's definitely a

stretch

to get that conclusion from this post.

[stungun0404]

Obviously, I am referring to a scumteam as a "they" because a scumteam has more than one member. Most games also have daytalk, therefore it can be assumed this game likely does to.

All this you are pushing is swaying me to want to vote you even more. But I want to see what others have to say about this before I do, just to see if I may be interpreting all this wrong.

[Green Crayons]

You used "they" in the active sense, like they are actively thinking about how best to have Porkens make his entrance.

[stungun0404]

They is ambiguous, it can mean they all are talking, or it can mean just Porkens came up with the decision. But when you are referring to a scumteam, like I was right there, you refer to it as they. The prior sentence even says "Porkens and his scumteam..."

[Dunnstral]

Morning! Will catch up soonest

Ok I’m all caught up through page 1. Dr Pepper and not science had the scummiest entrances, and hk is a townlean.

Page 2 farside good, ghost bad, mal ping scum, hk’s vote on farside terrible.

I’ll do my best to catch up and post tonight

Wow, you caught up on 2 pages. No offense but why replace in if you've got no time for mafia?

[stungun0404]

Dunn, what do you think of GC from the most recent interactions I had with him?

[Dunnstral]

He looks like town to me and I don't want to lynch him

[Porkens]

ok here I go

[notscience]

I’m pretty sure malas been about as available as I have this game

Is that really the four you wanna go with farside lol

[notscience]

We have one day left in this day phase and about 5 hours, which means

@Porkens: it is really important that you claim in your next post so that if your role is important to us that are town, we can keep you and have more time to make a well-informed decision to move elsewhere.

I hate cdemands for claims like this. it never seems to help. if it is scum, they can flush out someone else or else send town onto a wild lynch chase that won't go anywhere good. if it is town...how is getting them to claim and out themselves going to help?

What does it make you think re his alignment

[farside22]

I’m pretty sure malas been about as available as I have this game

Is that really the four you wanna go with farside lol

Still see's nothing from you that says town so yes.

[stungun0404]

We have one day left in this day phase and about 5 hours, which means

@Porkens: it is really important that you claim in your next post so that if your role is important to us that are town, we can keep you and have more time to make a well-informed decision to move elsewhere.

I hate cdemands for claims like this. it never seems to help. if it is scum, they can flush out someone else or else send town onto a wild lynch chase that won't go anywhere good. if it is town...how is getting them to claim and out themselves going to help?

What does it make you think re his alignment

Who do you think is scum?

[stungun0404]

I mean, geraintm has disagreed with practically everything I have said lol, not just that fwiw.

But really has not said I'm scum, so I'm not exactly complaining. But I do wonder what his thoughts are on who is town and who is scum?